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 ::MonkeySlide::  Thanks Klaas  ::MonkeySlide::

Is there King Cake in here too?   ::bee::

Most people dont know about the baby inside the king cake.  It also means luck.

You didn't know about soap in the arm pits either.  See what you learn getting to 100. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Magnolia, I stay in the Lafayette area for the Mardi Gras festivities. We have many parades and balls here also. Yes, we could have such a great time next year!!!      ::MonkeyDance::

Light a candle (or two) for Natalee and her family.

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 ::MonkeyAngel::

Happy Valentine's Day to all. Goodnight. ::MonkeyHeart::

Good night all. Need my rest for Mardi Gras and I'll save some King cake for everyone.

I have a dear friend that I have had since kindergarten.  She and her husband moved to NewOrleans right out
of college so I have been down for many a Mardi Gras.  We had her older daughter right down on Canal Street
when she was a week old......fighting for those beads.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Nite PV, Cajun, TM and anyone else calling it a night.  I will be up for a bit  ::MonkeyCool::

First it was IBE this morning with donuts and now King Cake!  WoW, would I like to have some of that!

No idea, how he's related if at all.  Just came across this and with the mention of Boxtel and the family reunion thought I'd post it.

http://www.brabantscentrum.nl/oud_archief_2010/nieuws/1003_sloot.htm

January 21, 2010

GREAT NEED FOR MEDICINES
Boxtel Kees van der Sloot supports missionary in Haiti

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ON THE PHOTO: Brother Kees van der Sloot is a nurse working in Port-au-Prince. (Photos: Van der Sloot family).

BY MARC CLEUTJENS

Kees van der Sloot (79) has survived the earthquake in Haiti. The missionary was Boxtelse on the day of the small convent in Port-au-Prince when the earth began to shake and a large part of the capital turned into a disaster area. Van der Sloot and his family was unharmed in Boxtel said that his work for the poor, now has to continue.

Only after a few days succeeded relatives in the United States and Canada managed to make contact with Van der Sloot, who as a missionary working for the order of Sister Theresa. Via the Internet they were told that he has survived the earthquake unscathed and the only slightly damaged monastery to escape. ,, The others who stayed in the monastery were not hurt, "says van der Sloot Liempde To Show, acting as spokesman for the family and coordinate action to raise money for his cousin in Haiti.

The missionary, who last year spent in Boxtel to a reunion of the family Van der Sloot to attend, is from Port-au-Prince announced that the city is a huge need for medication. ,, That we thus raise funds and ensure that the very poorest inhabitants of the city can be helped, "says Toon van der Sloot. His cousin in Haiti has always fought for the people who have nothing. ,, Besides helping disadvantaged young brothers managed the sister of Theresa in Port-au-Prince a kind of hospice, which also the poorest area was worthy to die. "

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ON THE PHOTO: In conversation with some visitors from the medical post.

CORRUPTION

At this moment in the family Van der Sloot in Boxtel ways the money for the drugs on a good way to get in Haiti. The country is known for its rampant corruption and the earthquake would have disrupted the country further. "The order of Sister Theresa also has a branch in Miami, which is already close to Haiti. The order has very good contacts and know the right way to drugs that Kees will be working on, "said Toon van der Sloot.
People who work in missionary Kees van der Sloot to support one can sum to account number 1336.65.941 in the name of A. van der Sloot stating "Brother Kees, Haiti.

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ON THE PHOTO: Brother Kees van der Sloot poses with some street children in the slums of Port-au-Prince.

These glowing remembrances of Paulus are making me ill. 

At least Peter R deVries didn't whitewash it at all.

I don't know what if anything will come from this.  Maybe nothing immediately but over time, Joran will start babbling again with no one to stop him.  The Kalpoes may come to realize they were used in the lawsuit and they will be stuck with all the bills.  They may think AHATA if going to pay but I think they will be double crossed on that deal and stuck with them having to move, hide or have a judgment hanging over their heads for life.

I hope they think long and hard about that!

That missionary doesn't sound like the van der Sloots we know.  Must be a DISTANT relative.

Thanks to all who posted all the new information and the old as well.


Goodnight, Monkeys and Happy Valentine's Day to all of you.


 ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyHeart::

Nite Anna!

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Good night Anna!   ::MonkeyAngel::

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Original text:

Vader van Joran van der Sloot overleden


Paul van der Sloot (L) is overleden. ANP
Als een vasthoudend jurist met principes, zo stond hij bekend, zowel op Aruba als in Boxtel. Maar Paul van der Sloot was vooral ook de vader die vierkant opkwam voor zijn oudste zoon. Joran van der Sloot, nu 22, werd in 2005 tot verdachte bestempeld na de verdwijning op Aruba van de achttienjarige Amerikaanse Natalee Holloway. In de nog altijd niet helemaal afgesloten strafzaak zat ook Paul van der Sloot enige tijd als verdachte van medeplichtigheid opgesloten. Woensdagavond overleed hij onverwachts aan de gevolgen van een hartstilstand. Maandag zou hij 58 jaar zijn geworden.

Als 'vader-van' kwam hij geregeld in de publiciteit. Paul van der Sloot zat aan tafel in het tv-programma Pauw en Witteman  toen zijn zoon een glas wijn naar Peter
R. de Vries gooide. Hij was de spreekbuis die rotsvast in zijn zoons onschuld geloofde, ook als hem werd verweten hem met juridische trucjes te adviseren.

''Paul heeft nooit hartklachten gehad. We hadden nog altijd veel contact, ik weet dus dat hij veel aan sport deed, veel tennis en lopen, voor zover dat in de warmte van Aruba kon,'' vertelt zijn broer Toon van der Sloot in Boxtel. De tennisbaan was een vast onderdeel van Pauls sociale leven op Aruba.

Hij speelde er ook al vele jaren in een brassband. Ze kenden hem op het Caribische eiland vooral als een gewetensvol jurist, altijd recht in de leer. De laatste jaren runde hij in Oranjestad een advocatenpraktijk. Eerder was hij landsadvocaat, kabinetschef bij het Openbaar Ministerie, docent aan de universiteit en rechter.

In 1991 vestigde Van der Sloot zich met zijn vrouw op Aruba. Daar werden twee van hun drie zonen geboren. Voordat hij naar Aruba vertrok, etaleerde Van der Sloot zijn vasthoudendheid als jurist ook nadrukkelijk in Boxtel. Zelfs vanuit Aruba zette hij nog enkele jaren de in 1973 ingezette strijd tegen de zuidelijke rondweg bij Boxtel door. Met succes. Samen met buurtbewoners bestreed hij tot bij de Raad van State de rammelende bestemmingsplannen voor een nieuw tracé, dat deels over de grond van de familie Van der Sloot zou voeren.

De Boxtelse gemeenschap zag hem als een querulant die met zijn persoonlijke strijd tegen een weg op zijn land de levens van de Boxtelse schooljeugd in gevaar bracht. Toen de strijd bijna was gewonnen, verhuisde hij naar Aruba. ''Ik vond het vervelend, maar wel begrijpelijk dat emoties zich in mijn richting ontlaadden,'' zei Van der Sloot later. (HET PAROOL)
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Google translation:

Father of Joran van der Sloot deceased

Paul van der Sloot (L) is deceased. ANP
As a tenacious lawyer with principles, as he was known, both Aruba and in Boxtel. But Paul van der Sloot was especially the father who defended his eldest son square. Joran van der Sloot, now 22, was described in 2005 after the suspicious disappearance in Aruba of the eighteen year old American Natalee Holloway. In the still not fully completed criminal Paul van der Sloot also sat for some time as a suspect of complicity locked. He died unexpectedly Wednesday evening to the effects of a cardiac arrest. Monday he would have become 58 years.

As "father-of 'he arranged publicity. Paul van der Sloot was sitting at table in the TV show Pauw en Witteman when his son a glass of wine to Peter R. de Vries threw. He was the spokesman who firmly believed in his son's innocence, even when he was criticized by legal tricks to advise him.

''Paul has never had heart problems. We still had much contact, so I know he did a lot of sports, many tennis and running, where the warmth of Aruba that could,''said his brother Show van der Sloot in Boxtel. The tennis court was an integral part of Paul's social life in Aruba.

He also played many years in a brass band. She knew him mainly on the Caribbean island as a conscientious lawyer, always right in theory. In recent years he ran a law practice in Orange City. He was previously country lawyer, private secretary to the Public Ministry, a university professor and judge.

In 1991 drew Van der Sloot and his wife to Aruba. Since two of their three sons were born. Before he left Aruba, Van der Sloot showcased his tenacity as a lawyer also strongly Boxtel. Even from Aruba a few years he set in 1973 deployed against the southern bypass through Boxtel. With success. Together with local residents fought it to the State Council's flimsy zoning for a new route, partly on the basis of the family Van der Sloot would perform.

The Boxtelse community saw him as a bastard with his personal battle against his country in a way the lives of the Boxtelse school youth at risk. When the battle was almost won, he moved to Aruba. ''I found it annoying, but understandable that emotions are unloaded in my direction,''said Van der Sloot later. (Het Parool)
11-02-10 12:47

This one caught my eye too for obvious reasons.   

No idea if there's a connection or not.

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THE COFFEE AT ............ CAFE TURNAROUND

Now the countdown has begun for the carnival was a nice moment in the coffee to go with Bram van der Sloot of Turning Point cafe. The cafe Boxtel know we have many years. In March 2005 Bram van der Sloot is owner of the famous and versatile catering business in Boxtel. In April 2008 he decided with his wife Betty the cafe formerly known as Marktzicht a new name. Retained Pub Turnaround.

The cafe is aimed at a broad audience. With a full year round calendar was always a party in the cafe. Regular performances are different and also the associations which are housed is often thought. There are 7 teams dart cafe Watershed, watershed 1 to 4, the Slootjes, pig and team Frontier Sat. On different days of the week the teams compete in an exciting competition. But the darts teams are not the only organizations that can be found. The Red River Band, a carnival club with a chapel, provides regularly for many in the music business. During the carnival days Turnaround cafe also home to the carnival and she received many guests. This year a delegation from Leopoldsburg another visit during the festive days. If the bustle of the carnival in Boxtel then returned, the Red River Band in Leopoldsburg again gently do.

The pool in the pub is well used. The Green Pomerans and free billiards are associations who are at home to cafe Turnaround. Also plays a team of Watershed café along with table tennis competition in the business Taverbo and the team of 9 RKSV Boxtel Boxtel is a weekly recurring guest on Bram and Betty. Bram indicates that he likes to use the various bar associations who are familiar with Turning Point. "We all try to do something," said Bram.

Turning Point Cafe is home to several markets. Not only the cafe was known to many Boxtelaar, but also for their barbecue and catering service, they are known. The catering is provided and delivered complete and in different price possible. For everyone, there is plenty of choice. The hall, which is located above the cafe, is currently undergoing a complete restyle. Puck and Willemien Meijs are currently busy for the room to turn it into a truly magnificent room for many purposes. Do you have a party or meeting before you are at turning point cafe to the right place. Bram, Betty and the entire team look forward to serving you.

Of course I ask Bram, so just for the carnival, to the program. During the carnival is open from 10.00 hours Turnaround. Except on Wednesday, then everyone is welcome from 13.00 for the traditional herring happen. Several associations during the carnival will visit the Turning Point and Prince d'Teun n urst brings together with his visit to a carnival around the clock Tuesday from 13.15 hours. "And during Carnival every day activities of The Three Kupkes" Bram says enthusiastically. In the carnival days is therefore a great party.

Even days after the carnival is the party continues. There are already several performances by various artists again on the schedule. By Pub Turnaround goes partying all year.

For more information about the various options and the agenda of café Turnaround look at www.cafekeer.nl. Turning Point Cafe is open daily:
Monday to Thursday from 16.00 pm, Friday from 09:30 hours, Saturday and Sunday are from 15:00 Bram, Betty and their team from 11.00 hours for you.


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #828 1/28/10 -
« Reply #1686 on: February 13, 2010, 03:33:22 AM »
   
Quote from: billb on February 13, 2010, 01:56:31 AM



Thanks for your continued support of Natalee and her family billb.

That's what it's all about.

We Monkeys support each other.
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Thanks for the support San......
I haven't been posting here as long as others....but I have been reading since the early days....

Justice for Natalee is just around the corner...

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Google translation:

Paul van der Sloot DECEASED

Years of struggle against Southern Main road

Former Boxtelaar Paul van der Sloot is deceased. The resident of Aruba was Wednesday, February 10 around 21:45 hours local time on the tennis court of Villa Park "Tierra del Sol" suffered a heart attack, said Aruban media this morning. Van der Sloot was brought by ambulance to the hospital, but resuscitation attempts were not late.

The former resident of Boxtel in the eighties was heavily involved in the debate on the Southern Main road in Boxtel. Van der Sloot resisted by supporters, united in the interest Eindhovenseweg Residents / Liempdseweg (BEL), against the construction of the road. In May 1980 has gathered the council endorsed the proposal of the College of B & W. order to build a route through the Forest Field in order to spare the city center. Two years later, in June 1982, the draft zoning plan was ready. Objections were filed, including by BEL. Van der Sloot: "This route will almost certainly beaches at The Crown."

Although the Provincial Executive in February 1985 adopted zoning, the struggle of Van der Sloot and his supporters against the town Boxtel unabated. The construction of the road began on July 27, 1986. In October, work on the Southern Main road shut down by the Council of State following a suspension request from BEL. The continued delay caused great discontent among the inhabitants of Boxtel.

After a fatal car accident in the center in December 1987 was the debate around high on the Southern Main road. In May 1988 the Supreme Court annulled a decision by the court expropriation. The town had a new boot process. The BEL pursued the legal battle. The Crown in December 1988 approved the land use right and the Southern Main road could be completed.

In September 1989 the painting was still on the Southern access road. Legal advice from the College Boxtel had made clear that further construction was impossible. The road finally disappeared from view. Eventually, on November 10, 1995 officially opened the Keulsebaan.

ARUBA

Van der Sloot was living until the mid seventies in Boxtel, then he moved to Tilburg for his study. He worked at Mutual office in Eindhoven and Arnhem. Van der Sloot in 1990 moved with his family to Aruba, where he worked as a judge in training.

In June 2005 was Joran Van der Sloot's son, the police detained on suspicion of involvement in the disappearance of American schoolgirl Natalee Holloway. Van der Sloot himself was sitting down a few days because he may have more of the case would know. The former Boxtelaar finally got a sum of money as compensation because his innocence had been in prison. Following a remand by 90 days Joran was released for lack of evidence. The case came back into the news when crime journalist Peter R. de Vries an investigation into the disappearance of Holloway started. Persecution of Joran was out, the investigation continues.

Van der Sloot died unexpectedly. When the burial place is unknown. Family members reported this morning that is still not clear whether the former Boxtelaar is buried in Aruba or the Netherlands. Van der Sloot would be Monday, February 15 to celebrate its 58th anniversary.




I guess they don't know THE REST OF THE STORY either.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Okay, which one of you bastards ate baby Jesus in the King Cake????    (I'm going to hell)  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks for the support San......
I haven't been posting here as long as others....but I have been reading since the early days....

Justice for Natalee is just around the corner...

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I see ya BillB! ::MonkeyBike::

I see ya BillB! ::MonkeyBike::
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Thanks Keepthefaith.....
Like all Good monkeys.....
I wonder what does paulass's passing bring to the table in Natalee's case?
Regardless.....k2 has to be worried.....ahata....has to be worried.....american traitors have to be worried....
k2 need to come clean with American authorities.....if they have any chance at all for surviving....
As time goes on....they (k2) along with the rest of the perps.....and those that participated in the cover up.....have to be extremely worried for their futures......
they are now liabilities....no longer under the protection of paulass....

Good Night Good monkeys.....

Me personally.I think deals will continue to be struck,with those players,who continue to vie for power and money.Power and money.Isn't that what it's always about?A person like Paulus dies.There's another chomping at the bit to take his place in the heirarchy that is Aruba.Unless it's in the best interest of a particular player,and or pawn, i don't believe there will be to much communication coming from Aruba.People will slowly die,one by one,until their is no one left to tell the story.I do believe in miracles,although,it better come soon,due to the propensity for people to die prematurely on that island.I'll take justice either way!JMOO

GoodNight BillB. ::MonkeyCool::

Paulus Van der sloot - Lawyer / Rapist / Murderer



"I found it annoying, but understandable that
emotions were unloaded in my direction", said
Van der sloot later. (Het Parool)


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I hope he really found it annoying that a heart attack
was unloaded in his GENERALLLLL DIRECTIONNNNNNN!


LOL

Eat dirt, beyotch. You have been banished for life, troll.

Translator:

Such a pity it is Monday at 58 you became... but it's

looking like Monday has been rained out. Go see de sharks! ::HelloKitty::

 ::MonkeyShovel::


I am looking forward to some more "chronic assho leveling" in 2010.

Long overdue.

Don't worry Wreck, it will all come out in the end! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Paulus will NEVER rest in peace. And the sporter has another death on his hands. How does it feel now, Joran

jmo



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A package of news briefs from the Caribbean
by WOAI
Sep 02, 2005
     ARUBA: Dutch suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teenager to be released, father and attorney say
     
     ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - A judge on Thursday ordered the release of a Dutch teenager held in the disappearance of an Alabama honors student, but the teen remains a suspect, the defense attorney said.
     
     The Dutch teen's father, Paul van der Sloot, said the judge ruled there was no reason to hold his son, Joran, on suspicion of murder but the youth remained a suspect in the sexual assault of Natalee Holloway.
     
     But defense attorney Antonio Carlo disputed part of the father's statement. He said the 18-year-old van der Sloot remains a suspect in Holloway's disappearance but will be released Saturday and could remain free pending the outcome of the investigation.
     
     The decision to release van der Sloot "only has to do with the pretrial detention. The primary condition is he has to remain available to police," Carlo said.
     
     The Aruban lawyer for Natalee's father, David Holloway, said van der Sloot could still be tried in the case despite his release.

Sorry for the 'oldie' -- just one of the many thought provoking posts from Dutchlady......



Dutchlady
PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:44 am

I have to say this whole case rests on the mindset of what a instant disposal of a body would relay, that is to say that Joran and the two others as young dependant men should have just dumped her after the situation got out of hand. But they did not.

In the first place, they and no one else was ever seen with Natalee after that Carlos and Charlies exit, no teen, no adult -none. The reason I would think for Mountain Brook teens interrogation was to see if they had any liasons with islandes and the suspects, or saw something or heard something that has been missed. If they did see something it could add to the mindset of the act Joran played as exchange Dutch student as to why he would make up an identity to the group. See the situation. He made up and would say someone verified his status as one of them, a wolf in sheeps clothing. NOW WHY WOULD BE LIE SO EARLY ON = TO SET A TRAP.

The issue of the last night is crucial as Joran said if his mother had been there nothing would have happened or words to that effect. RIGHT.

He would still have gone gambling, still have used the stooge Satish and still have gone out with Deepak as driver and stayed out all night. He would not have brought home or had a wild party in the main house whilst Paulus was still out aka the McDonalds visit, he would have been fed at home and in bed due to the test next day. One flaw in all this is that Joran had the annex to himself, yet he has another brother who is 'courting' and seems to be more well adjusted in photo images of behaviour. So this is bizarre as the two brothers could stay in this complex together and one would think both had designs on this building for friends. So why only Joran? She said the boys fought all the time, so can we now say the instigator was separated for family peace. Why then did Paulus take him to casinos and allow the expenses for gambling and drink as a reward for his behaviour, why?

In the path of this are two brothers who are said to have two mothers says Mrs Ramirez as they were brought up by their maternal grandmother in Suriname. So they were not in Aruba as long as Joran. But in contrast to other island teens at school seen in photos of the award ceremony these are like minded indulged and undisciplined children who wanted as Joran did to go to the US as none US citizens. Glamour and the party life is the answer, not job opportunities. None applied to join the military. All had time on their hands and no manual labour to do.

Now if we go to c and c's the shark is there above the door and in shark and Joran's mentality there is the shark he said of, it is a joke you see. He says little words that mean something in pictures. Natalee on her travels would have seen sharks before and in the dark where does one see them?

In the sand, no bodies are placed on the island due to the tanki's and ditches that flow and pollute the water. The sand is fine grains of quartz and any body dug into it would cause a calibration pit, rather like a souffle that sinks, only in a slower time. In such hot places microbes and sand creatures would disturb this area and it would have to be higher up the beach as kids play sand castles and all manner of things, plus erosion. It would not be a place in the middle of the night with last moon phase to see and to ensure that it was a safe place for predator disposal. I have made sand parcels and check this out in what it looks like and it cannot be done.

In sea burial, this again had to be planned and again where to place in the ocean to know if it would roll back as in Scott Peterson case they would have read and heard about. The answer is Peterson tied her body to a bouy and it came loose.

I would say this as scenario. One night you find a friend, son or husband has done some deed that will cause some disaster and something has to be done as this disaster will affect the lifestyle and the life so far allowed on an island far from home. I do not want to go back home. So I help this contact and use my not their mentality. See cases historically of such involvement. In doing so the mentality the police are looking for is in the minds of more than this trio. The places that Natalee would be taken would be to his home, and to the Kalpoe home, as most efficient at the time. Then the route is from an islanders knowledge of where tourists go and can be blamed if she is ever found, hence why the use of Fishermens huts. I have to say I think the key to all this is the school and that end of the island, as if one does as is said by the suspects who are called suspects then they appropriated and did not dig for one needs a spade. I would think that Dompig is looking at the simpleton in these and looking at kids as mentality when it is a more criminological and geologically trained mind and minds that placed her. Those persons still guard or watch her grave and are on or watching bloggs and message boards as to give subversive information when the search teams come, and to hoodwink and make an ass of the Aruban people and the police.

That is what they have succeeded in doing and why their is so much publicity in this case is that the suspects and 'calibration overflow' of deviants has joined in as tickle sites, speakers and as media infamous identities. In Poaches case of Latoyia for one he did not court the media, quite the opposite and was a loner. In Ian Huntley the mass media was same as this case because of infamy desired. The actors just cannot stop acting out the roles and be nobody's just like anyone else. Or do some public act that makes them celebratred and not hated, or feared. Look at the school line up and see the distancing even then of Joran from the rest of the class. He has no buddies or person to see his achievement, so why? In reviewing this to the monkeys as 'open source' communication I am keeping things back that other monkeys and the family knows for obvious reasons. My cognition is shared with a few. I really need to see the places now with experts and with field support.

I don't know if I like "sweatyrunning man" or the "Boxtelse Bastard" better  ::MonkeyDevil::

From the article Texasmom posted:

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Wow... even sportswriters are familiar with the liar known as Paulus Van der Sloot.... in an article about how Lane Kiffin has made a pact with the devil the writer ends by saying that:

Lane Kiffin will eventually make one heck of a doubles partner with Paulus van der Sloot when he winds up in Hell! I just hope I’m not the ball or a spectator!

http://www.giftsandfreeadvice.com/free_advice/the-devil-and-lane-kiffin-did-lane-kiffin-sell-his-soul-to-satan/

So it looks like it was a bomb explosion yesterday:

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2649&offId=0

UN GRUPO DI PERSONA TA EXPERIMENTANDO CU BOMB NA ARUBA

UN GRUPO DI PERSONA TA EXPERIMENTANDO CU BOMB NA ARUBA
Relaciona cu e explocion na Simeon Antonio di diasabra atardi nos a ricibi un yamada di confirmacion cu explosion a tuma lugar na e veld di futbol banda di e parke di Simeon Antonio. Diadomingo mainta tempran nos fotografo a bay na e sitio un rato despues patruya tambe a yega na e sitio. Investigacion haci na e sitio ta indica cu tin un grupo di persona ta experimentando cu explosivonan. E grupo ta yama su mes "AUA BOMB SQUAD", nan ta experimentando cu polvo productonan di aerosol y liquidonan flamable. E explosion di ayera tabata basta fuerte y a rebenta un bari grandi den 2 pida. Polis tin atencion di e acto aki y ta investigando cual grupo ta hungando cu KA-BOOM! pero cu por ta hopi peligroso.

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Good morning Monkeys!   ::CowboySmiley::

Forgot to add...

Happy Valentine's Day!   ::MonkeyHeart::

http://curacao.usconsulate.gov/uploads/images/nXyIwfyZCXXtdMpu8FGccA/WEEKLY_News.pdf

Aruba – Government To Address Criticism at FATF Meeting

The Aruba government will attend the FATF Plenary meeting in Abu Dhabi (United Arab Emirates), next week. Aruba will present a detailed and prioritized action plan to the FATF in an attempt to demonstrate substantial progress while addressing shortcomings and avoid possible placement on the FATF list of high -risk jurisdictions. Aruba was referred to the International Co‐operation Review Group, the so‐called ICRG, of the FATF for a prima facie review. The G-20 has requested the FATF to issue and publish a high risk jurisdictions list by February 2010.
The 2008 evaluation of Aruba’s compliance with the 49‐FATF recommendations was subpar. Aruba has been found to be non‐compliant or partially compliant with 13 of the 16 key and core recommendations. Some of the key criticism is listed below:

- Aruba’s system of AML/CFT preventive measures is incomplete, lacks coherence and
is ineffective
- There is no separate and independent offense for terrorist financing in the Penal Code
of Aruba
- Aruba has not implemented UN-resolutions 1267 and 1373
- The supervisory laws and regulations should be strengthened
- Supervision should be extended to other not-regulated sectors (e.g. investment
business and insurance brokers)
- The not-regulated electronic stock exchange market forms a huge risk for ML/TF
- The AML/CFT Directives issued are incomplete
- The AML/CFT oversight should be strengthened, especially with regard to the offshore
banks and insurance companies
- The staffing of the Reporting Center Unusual Financial Transactions (MOT), Central
Bank of Aruba, Public Prosecutor’s Office and Police is inadequate
- The training in the area of AML/CFT, also to increase level of awareness, should be
enhanced.

http://curacao.usconsulate.gov/uploads/images/nXyIwfyZCXXtdMpu8FGccA/WEEKLY_News.pdf

Aruba – USFOL Screen Allegedly Monitors Military Bases in Western Venezuela

In his Sunday talk show, former Venezuelan Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel stated that the U.S. government is spying on Venezuela from neighboring Aruba.

This time Rangel reportedly provided evidence from a report received from an unknown Venezuelan, who supposedly managed to enter the Forward Operating Location (FOL) premises on Aruba. Rangel said that a security lapse allowed the "visitor" to stay and look around. He observed four giant screens, one showing the western part of Venezuela, the area nearest to Aruba and Venezuela's military, service and industrial installations.

Rangel showed viewers the monitored areas Tachira and Zulia that border Colombia on a screen. The Aruba USFOL operates radar equipment which monitors plane movements in the Caribbean and the Venezuelan mainland, according to Rangel.

“The USFOLs were set up as counter-narcotics centers but have since expanded into spying centers, especially against increasingly "unfriendly" Venezuela. Also, the USFOL in Curacao is larger and less controversial, since Arubans have voiced their criticism concerning the USFOL presence,” Rangel stated. (Various media)

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http://www.condoleance.nl/registers/register_12086.html

Paul van der Sloot

January 1, 1952    February 11, 2010

Van der Sloot (57), from Boxtel, was one of known as the father of Joran van der Sloot, who was discredited by the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway.

The death of Van der Sloot was confirmed Thursday by family in Boxtel. The cardiac arrest Paul van der Sloot found Wednesday during a game of tennis at Villa Park \ \ Tierra del Sol `\ \`. Resuscitation attempts were not late. Van der Sloot lived for over twenty years in Aruba in Oranjestad, where he ran a law practice.

It is not known when and where the funeral will take place.
(publication date 11-2-2010)

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condolence 29 to 10 of 29


On February 14, 2010 signed by: Shaila

Whether or not something I've made in my life that adds nothing to this event.
Decency, I have enough decency to see that this family has absolutely no decency, they think they are above everyone, wherever you are away, and you're talking about decency.
Or find their antisocial behavior learned in the media shows have the decency??
I do not fact, and I am not talking about the Holloway case.
Purely and simply about their behavior.

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ok - just one more after this one... I've been disruptive enough ::MonkeyAngel::

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Rob!   ::MonkeyLaugh::


 ::MonkeyHeart::

Natalee - you are always in my heart  ::MonkeyHeart::

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Found this a bit interesting.  Posted 2/12/2010 on an Aruban BB:

FROM CHARLES CROES

The truth is so often either close to the heart or residing in it.
Imagine to be given the simplest of all choices

Admit your child has sold his soul to the devil or that he is unfairly seen as that demon himself
Know that you will be your sons noose or that you will snug his tie on his wedding night
Admit that your first born lies to you or that his truths are lies he believes
What would your choice be?
And isn’t it strange that :
A kitten is stuck in a sewer and the world praises the fireman that saves him
A father saves his son and he walks in the sewer from which the kitten was saved.
The truth lies in our hearts and our hearts – so often – do not belong to us
Our hearts belong to those we love the most

And so when a father dies, so often does the truth of his son. 

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/charles-croes-creations-commentaries-42596/


Well...if that kitten was sick with parvo or rabies...not only wouldn't the fireman have entered the sewer, it would have been blocked so the kitten couldn't harm any other animals or people.

At what expense was the son "saved"?  More were involved than he and his son. He was also saving himself, his wife and his middle son.  He was not naive.

Article from March 2009

http://www.casinocity.nl/interview_joran_van_der_sloot_spreekt_over_poker-025300284710035.aspx

Interview: Joran van der Sloot speaks ... poker!

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Date: (04-Mar-2009) - Casino City Editor
That Famous Dutch poker, we are now a little used to it. And we are happy: although their play often necessary to be desired, the personalities generate positive attention to our hobby ... and more attention, more players.

But a Dutch Infamous is known to stand as a poker player, that's less fun. If someone gives to the poker again into the seedy atmosphere of illegality, where our favorite hobby anyway so difficult to come from the mainstream media.

This person is Joran van der Sloot, known and notorious of the Holloway case and the associated transmissions extremely good views of Peter R. De Vries. Pokerde he was already known, but recently he dived back almost daily on the tournament tables of Party Poker. He scored early in February called "losing player" even an interesting result: in Party's $ 300K Guaranteed Sunday was fifth, accounted for $ 13,800. Poker City and then wrote about that result, we attracted the attention of an IP address from Bangkok, reportedly the current whereabouts of the 21-year-old delinquent.

It seemed time to the most famous poker player from the Netherlands once paces. Ascertaining the contact details of this figure had quite some doing earth - we now know how Peter R. De Vries feels! - But then you have some: Yesterday we got him at last on the line. This yielded the following conversation.

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Joran?

That's me. Faka?

Um, yes. We wanted to you about your poker hobby.

Yes, I have seen yes. Piece on your site, found it all very negatively worded.

That surprises you?

No, no. Look, all I ask is that people keep an open mind a little, you know. Self-reflection and not everything that the media pour over them uncritically believe.

And the media do you mean mostly Peter R. de Vries?

So here we have not. Only poker please.

Forward: how long you play the game already?

Just thinking ... I think three years? I came to the casino, had of course heard. Ever done with my Mattie, but it was not Texas Hold'em. So I sat down there and was instantly hooked. That first night I won something from € 300. That was dirty, I really did not know what I did.

You know by now?

One of my Mattie played much online, since he also won quite a lot. They have some things explained to me then. That you must have such patience, and you really should think about what your opponent does. When I have occasionally read some forums and so on, especially about tournaments and how to deal with a small stack. Did my game really much better.

And then you play online?

That I was actually doing all right. The day after I had been in the casino, I told my size: I've played poker, online same version that you always do, and it is cool. Then we immediately created some accounts. On Party Poker, later on Full Tilt and Poker Stars.

According to the online tracking sites that did not immediately vigorously ...

No man! Look, that's an example of what not to believe everything you read. Sure I do not always win, but I have sometimes caught good prizes: visit every one thousand U.S. dollars here, five hundred over there. Went fine.

But lately, it really good?

Yeah look, I was busy with some other smoothing things, but this year I started again more active. More seriously too, not loesoe sit behind that thing, or do you know skaffa. That just does not work. So I was heavily focused. I grabbed one back late in January or something, and then there was the fifth course where you wrote about.

Well there you had a deal, and thus won more?

No, we do not deal were agreed. A guest wanted to play, I think he eventually won so he was right! But just so the thirteen grub, hard course.

And then some small fees here and there around $ 1000, it seems.

Exactly. But I do plan to each Sunday at least $ 215 that thing at Party Poker to play. Is a fun tournament last Sunday again thirtieth or so.

According to one of our readers can not log on from Bangkok Party.

Probably not. I have no problems with it. But I do not always play from Bangkok. I think I'll just Gassies not tell how and what, you know. f*** them, who were again heavy negative comments.

Was you wearing one who actually responded there?

No, but I think it was someone who knew me. Perhaps one of mattie here. He was right with his 'no award'. Really, that's it.

Do you play tournaments or even just cash?

Very little cash. Especially many major tournaments and sit & goes.

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Find online better than live?

Well, in Netherlands at one point I could not really live longer play that I do not have to explain it? And I get too much shit online, since those pieces of paper which she had put my account name (pokerpro68of, AANOTILTKK, angryshark68 and Joran9. Red.). Gassies who ridicule me in the chat when I have a bad beat and so .

Live you have not proved as good poker faces to read?

Why do you say that? You're right though. Sometimes I think I know exactly what you have man. But then I'll often do next, haha.

I mean, Patrick van der Eem met you at the table and that you did not really through, so it proved.

Boy, just go t ... you expect just that. Such conjo, I will tell you one thing, you know, he can call things about me, anyone can call me on things, but how conjo dealing with women, well, I am in holy. Really bad conjo how women deal with.

UTG limp? Flatcallen from the big blind after an early position raise with three callers? If you go to actually not QQ. Pure abuse.

Ha, I guest you know but hear jokes. But I have said enough nou again. See you again. Latz.


And they hung on the Notorious Dutchman, before we could ask him what he would do with his profits, whether he now sees as a pro, how his own "negative" impact on the reputation of the poker world was (and to which he or why would please stop with maps). And: Joran was just 21, so he may WSOP play ... this year that he would dare, or he is afraid there really gelynched to be?

Well, almost daily AANOTILTKK is available at Party Poker. Are you happen to him at table? Ask him yourself and notify us!

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Thanks Buckeye, I agree.

Thanks for that Buckeye.

It appears that Charles Croes knows a lot about life in the sewer. NOT that I ever had a doubt that he did.  ::MonkeyMad::




Justice for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her family and loved ones

they have a very very strange way of relating to reality on that island - it's like another dimension or something - and there are some nuts like Drenga that seem to fit right in.

So true Buckeye.

It's the booze and drugs....makes reality take a back seat. ::MonkeyCool::

A recording between Joran and his father:

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just shakes my head  ::MonkeyNoNo::

thanks for that Klaas

Paulus was pure evil. How anyone can say he was a good person and will be sadly missed completely beyond me.

And how desperate was Anita - good God in the goose grease.  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyDevil::  I choose the latter ... lol

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

It's hard to believe that in three months it will be five years since this nightmare began.   ::MonkeyEek::

Was Charles Croes drunk when he wrote that drivel?  The kitten is innocent and thus a sympathetic figure.

Joran, on the other hand, is more like a pit bull that has attacked the neighbor.  In that case, it is either put down by the owner or the animal control officer called to do it.

I do wonder if any studies have been done on people who live on such small islands and if that isolation causes any kind of mental deterioration.  They seem to find the most absolute trash perfectly understandable and even consider it normal it does seem.

I think it's more than isolation, it's the pickling of their brains in booze too.  jmo

Klaas,

Does this say it was the Bomb Squad practicing or a drill, something of that nature?

I wonder how the people on Aruba will receive Joran, if he comes for a memorial service?

Anna - it says the bomb squad was there but I'm not sure if it was a drill or not.  Could have been a drill I guess. 

wow... great post Anna and I couldn't agree more. It's truly baffling how upside down and inside out the mentality there is...up is down and black is white. Makes no sense to me ... none at all.

the mental gymnastics used to rationalize the irrational behavior makes my head hurt - badly.

A hit dog hollers, wreck!  Funny YOU should be asking that!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

J/K ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyKiss::


But like San, I have always had a horror of choking on Him and wondered what the consequences of that would be.

I love it!  Proof that Paulus was the Boxtel Bastard long before Natalee ever came along.

I have always wondered why they ran off to Aruba in the first place.  It doesn't seem like a normal career choice and have thought they must have at least been misfits in the Netherlands to prompt them to do that.  Could be related to being viewed as a money-grubbing bastard in the community from such as this.

An ER trip or a stuck bowel!     ::MonkeyDevil::

Don't know if this Betsie Van Der Sloot from Boxtel is related:


11 februari 2010

ON THE PHOTO: The CDA council Betsie van der Sloot and Jo were Custers Wednesday February 10 on the road to election posters to paste. In Boxtel-Oost bleken alle affiches bedekt onder een laag posters van evenementen als Sound Garden en Trance Energy. In Boxtel East proved all the posters covered with a layer of posters of events like Soundgarden and Trance Energy. (Foto: Albert Stolwijk). (Photo: Albert Stolwijk).

BY MARC CLEUTJENS

Problem! The public billboards in Boxtel are too small to posters of ten political parties that participate in the Wednesday, March 3 municipal elections. Furthermore, some parties use such large posters that stick shifts now only respond missing out. Mayor Frank van Beers is working on a solution ...

Lijsttrekker Wim van der Zanden of Balance went this week to call on small billboards and complained to Mayor Van Beers on other parties in his eyes using large posters. According to Van der Zanden, the parties ever agreed not to use posters bigger than A2 size. "Now hang posters of that great and there are even two or three parties of that whopper side stick." Other parties have already complained to the mayor.

De Beers recognizes the problem and notes that the billboards in Boxtel too small for ten parties. To quickly relieve the emergency, the Public Works Department in the short term a large number of additional political parties to place signs to give more room. In addition, the mayor in consultation with all political groups view Boxtel or perhaps putting up posters on lampposts should allow. "I would like best to talk because all those posters in the street clearly show that the elections are coming."

Meanwhile De Beers urges all parties to adhere to the (unwritten) rules and stick to take account of the posters and posters of other groups. ,, Just paste a poster and the problem has been alleviated. "De Beers has three weeks before the election campaign the hands full with riots. This week he carried Combinatie95 on all plates and dolls from the town pond to get as municipal property not be used for political propaganda.

In one of the billboards in East Boxtel solved the problem this week automatically. Organizers of the sign taped music events filled with life-size posters. All election posters were Boxtelse it disappeared from view ...

http://www.brabantscentrum.nl/nieuws/1006_verkiezingsborden.htm

Happy Valentine's Day to all Monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     ::MonkeyHeart::

Yep, but meant more long term.  I remember when the nuns would tell us if we chewed the communion wafer, we would go to hell and swallowing it whole when just a little kid too well.  Even when you get older and know better, memories die hard. 

I am thinking of ordering a King Cake and wonder how long it would take to get here.  Overnight I think.  Never ordered a cake and wonder what condition it would be in on arrival but is not that far. 

Might be OK if UPS and not the post office.  Or better yet, Fed Ex.  But that would get expensive for a cake but then it's not just any cake.

Thanks for the articles NorthernRose.  All of those Van der Sloots are related.
The name comes from old Petrus being found in the ditch when he was a newborn.

Thanks, Rob,

Enjoyed your photos from long ago yesterday!  Especially the unibrow as I had to laugh.

But notice they no longer have them!   And Kawish has even abandoned his "Charlie Manson Eyes" look it seems.

More of that strange island mentality I think and when they get away more, normalization seems to take place to a small extent.  Kalpoes never get to leave, however or so it seems. 

I wonder if it has dawned on them that whoever is backing them is not going to any more as it becomes more apparent that they are going to lose.  That will leave them personally liable for all the legal bills of the defendants.

I even wonder if anybody ever explained that to them in the first place, that they stand to be personally responsible for paying all that, like more than they will earn in their entire lifetimes.

Sometimes my Piggly Wiggly has them in the bakery department right around Mardi Gras.
It has a baby in it and beads around the top and is really good.  Nothing fancy like the
filling that Cajun speaks of though.

Yes, Northern Rose, thanks. 

It seems a relative is running in a local election.  How embarassing to have the voters reminded of what a bastard Paulus was and how he didn't care if children were exposed to danger even back then.

Those nuns gave us all nightmares. Wish that I could help you with the cake order but never had to order one myself. They are at all local grocery stores. Have heard that the ones that ship them out do know how to do it right. Enjoy!

 happy valentines day monkeys! good talking to a few of you last night!
 ::MonkeyHeart:: :smt055 :smt054 :smt049 :2blove: ::MonkeyKiss2::

Thanks, Magnolia,  I think I will check locally as well because I can just see a box of jumbled cake arriving.  It would crumble like anything.  I bet there is someone closer who has good ones, too.

And we may get snow again.  It's awful slush here and not really snow but messes up the roads anyway but kids are out of school tomorrow anyway.


Off to work and lurk and make beef stew and cornbread sticks.

Working and urking but have promised food for supper to a couple of friends so better get with it.

In Louisiana we can pick what type of filling is in the ccake. You name it they make it. I personally like Bavarion, or praline filling.

Hi, Cuz!  It's so good to see you and all the monkeys back!

Cajun--of course, that's it!  I bet I can order one at the bakery.  Didn't think of that until just now but I am sure they can make one on order.

Bavarian is the way to go for me!

Anyway, off to cook.

Just one more turd floating in the sewage?

Not sure how I feel about Steph Watts these days but anyway.....

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this


NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE; JORAN VAN DER SLOOTS CONFESSION TO ME: MICHAEL CARDOZA C0-HOSTS

Steph Watts

Date / Time: 2/14/2010 6:00 PM

Category: Current Events

Call-in Number: (646) 721-9430

    WITH THE DEATH OF PAUL VAN DER SLOOT, THE FATHER OF MURDER SUSPECT JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, THE SPOTLIGHT SHINES ONCE AGAIN ON THE UNSOLVED MURDER CASE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY. DID MR. VAN DER SLOOT TAKE THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALEE TO HIS GRAVE?? WILL JORAN APPEAR OUT OF HIDING TO HONOR HIS DEAD FATHER? I WAS THE LAST JOURNALIST TO SEE JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. I SPENT 2 WEEKS WITH HIM IN THAILAND. FOR THE FIRST TIME, I WILL REVEAL EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED THERE. WHY DID JORAN VAN DER SLOOT SUDDENLY WANT TO “CONFESS” TO WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT? I WILL TELL YOU WHAT HE TOLD ME, WHAT HE SAID ABOUT HIS PARENTS AND WHY HE’S IN THAILAND. ALSO I WILL DISCUSS THE PHONE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN JORAN VAN DER SLOOT AND HIS FATHER WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY – ARE THEY REAL?? WHAT MOTIVATED HIM TO COME FORWARD WITH A NEW VERSION OF WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALEE THE NIGHT SHE DISAPPEARED? YOU WILL NOT WANT TO MISS THIS.

me too Rob  ::MonkeyNoNo::  it was painful to listen to that again (JoeyT), lol. IMO it was not Paul on tape. Joran did not 'sell' Natalee. It's hogwash  ::piggy::

I hope this is not a repeat. 


 ::MonkeyRoll::  Make me want to live, send me some more pics of myself! 

Good grief!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


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I think that Steph Watts is nothing more than an opportunist with no scruples whatsoever.
I was surprised to read recently that he was the "producer" who accompanied Greta to Thailand.
That made me think even less of Greta's Adventures in Thailand.
Joran killed Natalee.  He did not sell her and I think Greta knows that as well as anybody else.
That was nothing more than a ratings grab on Greta's part at Natalee's family's expense.

DRAMA.  Like he has a hard life.

Funny that Heli is just assuming from my cartoon video that it is depicting Renfro, lol  ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq2UMm4Tu-w

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Charles Croes admitted in his little piece about Paulus and the Pussy Cat that there
was a cover-up.   
Anybody who can't see that Renho is a lying drunk is sick.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2652&offId=0

CAS A KIMA POR COMPLETO NA SAN NICOLAAS, BOMBERONAN A BAY COMBATI E CANDELA FEROZ CU A DEVORA FULL E CAS

Diadomingo mainta a drenta informe di cu tin un cas na candela na San Nicolas, mesora a dirigi tanto polis como bombero na e sitio. Na yegada di e patruya a bin constata cu e cas tabata completamente na candela. Na yegada di bombero mesora a cuminsa combati e candela. E candela su vlamnan tabata asina grandi cu a devora e cas aki den apenas algun minuut.

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Through translator:

cas owing to burn can completo at san nicolaas, bomberonan owing to bay combati the candela feroz cu owing to devora full the cas

diadomingo morning owing to enter informe of cu have one cas at candela at san nicolas, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; bombero at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come constata cu the cas was completamente at candela. at arrival of bombero at once owing to cuminsa combati the candela. the candela his vlamnan was so big cu owing to devora the cas here in barely some minuut.

Is this something new, or did I just miss it?  A daughter in Las Vegas NV?

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Was Mark Purcell married prior to being married to Marlene?  Could some of these Purcell's be Mark Purcell's kids from a previous marriage?

I think "bomberonan" and "bombero" just refer to the firemen or fire department. 

I don't know, but wouldn't doubt it.  If this information is true it looks like she had a child before she married him.  jmo

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Hincamento riba L.G. Smith Boulevard
Policial
Sunday, 14 February 2010 - 18:44
breaking%20news.gifUn rato pasa a drenta informe cu lo tin un caso di hincamento den L.G. Smith Boulevard. Paramediconan ya caba ta na e sitio pa asina duna prome asistencia. Nos reporteronan tambe a mobilisa pa asina duna nos mas detayes di e caso aki.

?

My guess would be a stabbing. 

Self-inflicted, no doubt, lol.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://nl.respectance.com/Paul_Van_Der_Sloot/memorial&sl=nl&tl=en

Paul van der Sloot Tribute

60 comments

this is one of them

Thanks
Daury 3 days ago
For all you've done for me

You will love it San.  King Cake is more of a New Orleans' thing but Mobile picked up the King Cake tradition in the late 1950's when Pollman Bakery here decided to make & sell them.   Yum.

I will let you know how I like it.  I got two of them from different places.  I couldn't make up my mind  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Reminder - this will be on tonight

 :smt106 ::bee::

 

Edit: Fix quotes MB
                                                                                                                                                                                             Good evening my monkeys its nice to see everyone on this board again.  Maybe now with pvds dead ,JORANs lies will unravel and info will be forthcoming.I pray this will be soon. God bless  sandy l

It's always good to see you Sandy Leiva!    ::CowboySmiley::

 

Hi Sandy - good to see you!

I've never listened to that show before, do I need to do anything special to hear it?

TIA

Great to see you, Sandy  ::MonkeyDance::

I don't know, maybe take a pepto bismal or mylanta first  ::MonkeyDevil:: .  That radio show like most, except Dana, are hard for me to listen to.  The difference with Dana Pretzer is his smooth voice.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I love Dana!   ::MonkeyHeart::

Me too!  And Dana let's those on his show talk without interrupting them, unlike some other radio shows, imo.

I've got it on but I'm not hearing anything!   ::MonkeyWaa::

San, if they send the cakes with the little baby on the side, you are supposed to tuck the baby into the cake - from the bottom - so that the person who finds the baby will buy the next cake.  If you start a month before MardiGras, you will have time for 4-5 KingCake parties....yum.

o.k. got it...Tim Miller talking about the witness they took to Houston for the polygraph.

Tim Miller on right now.  Did you click on PLAY/CHAT and turn your volume up?

It sounds like they're calling the witness German with a hard G like in Google

Are they talking live?

I am hearing Geerman
as in Jearmann

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Paulus van der Sloot

Not sure, because Tim Miller's talking too!

The witness's name is Geerman per Steph Watts!

Tim Miller thinks this is a good thing in the Natalee Holloway case.

Remind me, please....who is Michael Cordozia?

http://www.cardolaw.com/

Hi Monkeys   ::HelloKitty::

I'm listening too............. Michael thinks the corruption is too deep. 

TY

Michael said the crime is awful but usually the coverup is worse but in this case he don't think that's the way it is.

Gerald Dompig told Dave Holloway and Tim Miller that Joran is a sociopath and that he controls his family.

Tim is talking about the time he went to the Van der Sloot home and Paulus went balistic and tried to have them arrested.

Gerald Dompid told him Tim Miller you are searching in the wrong spot you need to go to the water.

I'm popping in for a second to recommend Hadel's Bakery in New Orleans for the king cake.  We've had several and they are delicious!  They're around $30. and include fast FedX shipping!
Sharon #3!

How can Joran tell Steph the story of him selling Natalee and she is taken off the island on a boat and in the next breath he wants to sell a tape of him and Paulus talking about covering up the murder.

Steph said he could have sat there and had 1,500 drinks with this kid and got him shit faced drunk and he is not going to tell the story.

yeah San, this is really what it is - tourist targeted, gang-raped, murdered, body disposed. That's about as horrendous as it can get. It was murder when the security guards were charged and then a missing person when Joran and the Kalpoes were charged. And then BACK to pre-mediated when Paulus van der Sloot was charged.

Something must have been discovered other than that casino video to put a charge like that on Paulus. That's the real question of this case - what was it.

There 's Doug Shipley's name again.

Yep!

Tim wants to go to Paulus's funeral and try to talk to Joran again.

Steph says that part of Joran is very likeable.

Michael says Joran is 6'4" good looking, engaging and that makes him more dangerous.

I'm in the chat area and I think Debbie's there too now.   ::MonkeyWink::

Steph said there he was with Joran in Thailand in a hotel room under Stephs name and basically Steph was crapping his pants because he knew Joran had drugs on him.

Tim he wants to see Joran face to face and wants to see Joran at his fathers funeral.

I think Jug, Jar and his twins should go too - and throw Joran in on top of Paulus if they bury him. But that's just me  ::MonkeyAngel::

WOW - Cordova just said Anita better be careful, basically if she has life insurance on herself.

Tim said Joran is thinking right now know what dads dead let's cash in.

Michael said mom better be careful.

Sounds like a plan........... but not until they have a "little chat" with him.  A very intense, physical chat for about 3 or 4 days. 

 ::MonkeyShovel::

Tim said Joran had to learn this from some where.

Dad wasn't so squeaky clean.

Tim says Joran had to learn from someone and Paulus was not squeaky clean himself.

UNDERSTATEMENT

Michael Cordozia and Steph Watts don't know Paulus and Anita and Joran like Tim and Monkeys do. ::MonkeyMad::

Tim said Joran fears for his life now.

Michael said do you think the powers that be would basically go after him to keep him quiet and Tim said yes.

I would imagine he is thinking that - but how can he cash in without blaming everything on Paulus ... and most could be refuted by the interrogation tapes.. and the real documents from the case. He could end up hanging himself if he's not careful and he's not known for that trait.

Joran has never been wrapped too tight and I don't think it will be very long until he's facing more troubles.

Michael believes the witness Geerman but doesn't mean it would hold up in court.

Geerman has no reason to lie. 

Tim said Natalee's body is inside a container out there.

Dave and Tim found the boat that took her out there.

The people that owned the boat sold the boat and moved back to Holland.

The boat was out in the water for two or three years and after Natalee guess what it was dry docked.

Tim believes Natalee is in a container in the ocean because they didn't want to take the chance of her moving or floating away and there are still 140 targets to search. 

Tim says it's not over. 

this sounds like Gottenbos - cept they didn't go to Holland right. They went to Atlanta.

Tim anticipates that things are going to start moving in a different direction.

Did Tim say that they said the DNA, in the trap was male??  So they admit there was human DNA??

not to be brash and hog all the posting here to myself... but what about the remains from the last trap - shouldn't that be concluded first? And what's the point of searching more targets if Natalee was already removed. Did Tim forget all this?

Michael says it was not intentional, drugs involved, maybe Natalee fell and hit her head.

He doesn't think Joran is in Thailand murdering and stranglling girls (Steph said he could be doing this). 

So sorry this is an accident and I'm not going to let this ruin your life.  Paulus to Joran.

GEEZ

If it's an accident, the moral decent thing to do is not to cover it up. 

Michael said he thinks years from now we will find out what happened.

Why don't we send Guido the kneecap down there ::MonkeyDevil::

I heard that too.

Hi Ya Buckeye- who are "they" and if "they" are the Aruban Authorities and "they" say it's male - then it's FEMALE DNA.

For those that didn't catch it tonight, Stephs show podcast will be up either later tonight or tomorrow.  I want to hear Tim Miller talking about the male DNA myself, I missed that part.

Tim didn't forget and went further than I have heard him go before about the find in the fish trap.
He said again that it looked like her clothing and all and he had pictures.  But then he said that the
Aruban's said that the body was male.....didn't sound like he was convinced.

Me too.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

They'll have it up in a few minutes if anyone wants to listen again.

He talked about Aruba needing help from Holland then the Arubans surprisingly dove on the trap.  The results came back as male DNA.  For sure I don't believe that.  I've never seen anything from the Forensic Institute.  I don't think they send anything anywhere without doctoring it.

Hi Klaasend,  I don't remember them even confirming that it was remains in the crab tra?!?

I thought they said there were no remains.  Even though I was one of the ones who thought that was Natalee in that trap and I still do.

My head hurts after that podcast.  One of the reasons I've been away so long.  It literally makes you physically sick what was done in Aruba.

Thanks for the replay from all of you. I missed it live. You Monkeys are great!

That was my impression.  He was very unsure of the conclusion.  Wish they would have let him keep talking.

You got that right.  I will always believe that was Natalee's remains in that trap.

right and call an ambulance - I wonder, if Joran was playing tennis with Paulus and Paulus collapsed clutching his chest would he call an ambulance, or drag him under some mangrove trees, lose his tennis shoe(s) text Deepak, jump on the computer and create and alibi, download porn... would Paulus rank high enough for proper consideration?

I agree!  

There is a tape from the night Natalee died.  Why else would Paulus go to Florida to get Joran's school money refunded?  Hogwash,  he didn't go to Florida for any other reason than to retrieve that tape or destroy it.

Not even Paulus would rank high enough if it meant Joran would be held responsible.  I don't think this is a one time thing with Joran.  He is wired wrong... psychopath... sociopath... whatever you want to label him.  Remember, they did this 20 times before and nothing bad ever happened! 

I wonder how Johan555 explains a hermit crab with human DNA...  ::MonkeyTongue:: this seems to be tricky...LOL

BS on male DNA!

Who would ever believe Aruba about anything.

The podcast is up!  I'm listening again!

I do so hope that Tim and whoever he can recruit to go with him show up at the memorial service. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

There was at least one volunteer.  Bet Rob knows who.... ::MonkeyWink::

I saw her volunteer on the Chat.  That HotShot is always ready! ::rhino::

Refresher:

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And Kyle's rendition with my diag measurement:


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Didn't they claim to send whatever they took from that fish trap to the FBI?  I thought they did and there was a delay of like ten days from the time of the dive to their sending it?

 ::MonkeyEek:: 

Many thanks ... this is powerful stuff.

All I remember is they said they sent a piece of cloth and it was not Natalee's shirt.

It's truly sickening.

Where do I go to find the podcast  ?

Agree.  I don't recall DNA either but am thinking if they sent one part there, they would all of it?  Would be very odd to send some to NL and some to FBI?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/02/15/watts-up-with-this

I don't think Paulass being dead is going to make a difference, too many others involved. Ben Vocking, Vanderstratten,  etc. But the next time Joran gets into more trouble who is going to help him out. Tacopina ?
..
Maybe Anita took the carcass back to NL thinking that he was helped along over the rainbow bridge. I know it's Sunday and all that, but I think of these people as beyond any of my regard as humans. Sorry if I offend anyone.

Are people still in chat?  I didn't think Tim Miller and HotShot got along all that well.

I think FBI was only one with sample of the shirt.  They wouldn't have gotten anything if they didn't have that.

I think that Arubans said that they only sent fabric to the FBI.
Who knows what fabric they sent?
I heard Tim to say they sent remains from the trap to NL and NL lab said it was male DNA.

Ah, thanks!  I have not come to that yet.  SM loading very slowly for me with the podcast running.

I am anxious to hear from Kermit about Tim's statements about the trap. ::MonkeyGavel::

No, the chat ended when the show ended.  But Tim Miller wasn't in the chat...just Steph Watts.

Does anyone else remember something about her messing up or almost messing up a search Tim Miller had scheduled one time?  I don't think Tim wants anything to do with Kath., JMO.

I don't know about that.  Nothing was said on the air about the volunteer to Tim.

I was glad to hear Tim, with all he's going through right now I was surprised he was there.  He sounded good, and is adamant that this case is not over.  When he talked about going to the funeral with Steph or others he said that they may not even speak to Joran but that he wanted him to see them and KNOW that it's not over or something to that affect.

I've spliced the show and saved just the part where Tim Miller talks about the body in the trap and male DNA.  Uploading to photobucket now, will post shortly.  ::MonkeyCool::

Me too!   ::MonkeyCool::

I saw you in the chat TM.  You were the only one that got a good question in. ::MonkeyGavel::
I was proud!

He did sound good and that's exactly why he wants to go.  He wants to show them it's not over.

Tim said go to the funeral with this Steph person.

Yes, Tim sounds good and I am grateful for that.  He sounds strong and well rested.

This is more than I have ever heard before on the trip to Nicaragua.  Don't suppose this Steph has transcripts or does anybody know?  Probably not.

Great Klaas.  A lot of that is stuff we have never heard before. ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyKiss::

Click on the picture below to hear TIM MILLER talk about the trap they found and the MALE DNA:


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If I understood correctly he's posting the polygraph documents on his blog tomorrow.

Yes, I didn't even know the FBI were with them in Nicaragua.

I still think Nicaragua was just a ploy to get Tim Miller away from the Persistence!   ::MonkeyMad::

Tim said he thought Joran may have been behind some of that, but I'm thinking Paulus or others.  JMO

I agree TM

Tim Miller - Did we find Natalee?  I don't know it certainly looked like her clothes.

So Johan555 was right.  It was MALE crab DNA  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyDevil::  Idiot  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Did you see the name?  Wasn't sure if I should post it or not.

Kyle Kingman would you like to shop Klaas' video around.

Thank you Klaas, I wanted to say it sooooooo bad!   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::CowboySmiley::


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I went to the chat briefly and saw TM.  I stayed just to watch you.

Some people don't change.

I was reading chat.  Was going to log in and just sit there  ::MonkeyCool::

There was some b**** trying to control the chat.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyCool::  Many thanks-a 'must listen to' podcast.

I wish my last question had gotten in!  

No, they don't.  

Even if Joran would not talk to them, it would be excellent for him to see them there.  Joran might even wonder what they are up to and why they are in NL and get so nervous he starts babbling again.

You're welcome!  It was very good, I'm glad I tuned in!   ::MonkeyCool::

Tim Miller being there was a true gift, I wasn't expecting that!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Or you can flip it and he can have some of his psycho friends there who support him and they might hurt Tim.

Sounds like the memorial service will be in Aruba and from what I gather they will let Joran attend the service.  Then he will be sent to the NL I think.

Yes, like Tim said...he'll make a mistake.

I wonder if Red has heard this about the male DNA and if he could add anything?  I don't know what to think as usual.

But that's what happens when the Aruban LE gets involved.  Things are forever muddled and no one knows whether to believe anything or not.  Blood to chocolate.  Chocloate to cleaning fluid.  Deepak's tape only sounding different after being sent to Aruba.  Just never know if it's true or a case of evidence tampering.

Tim better take Guido kneecaps with him just in case.   :smt066

Michael Cordoza surely had the Aruban prosectutors pegged ... "arrogant";  ::MonkeyMad::  Their arrogance was one of the most galling aspects of this case.

Looking forward to more action-I think things will begin to pop, sooner rather than later.   

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Me either-he sounded wonderful.  And he sounded encouraged.

Klaas, I was understanding it the other way around.  Sending Paulus to NL for burial then coming back to Aruba and having just memorial service with no remains.

Not sure but guess we will see over the coming days.

Remember mobs were chasing Joran in NL and he was receiving death threats.  I would not be surprised if he skips NL but as I said, we will just have to watch as this all unfolds.

Anna - Red hasn't been online tonight that I can see but I'll have him listen.  Maybe he can get Tim on Dana Pretzer too.

I'm not believing the "male" DNA BS for one second.  In two years, no identification of that male....I don't think SO!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

 ::MonkeyAngel::  Goodnight all-this has exhausted me! lol   [ I just may go get a King Cake tomorrow... !!  lol ]

Reckon he will stick around till the insurance pays off?  That only takes a couple of weeks.

San, I think Joran is more likely to be the one to get hurt.  They were actually chasing him in the streets.  I don't think he has any real friends other than that little curly headed one and who knows where he is these days. 

But we would sure hate to see anything happen to Tim!  And I wonder if his own health is up to this.  We have all grown older since Natalee disappeared.  Sometimes it seems like I can't remember before it happened.  I feel like we have been here twenty years, lol.

Anna - you could be right, I don't really know

Goodnight Ono. Enjoy your King Cake.  Can't wait to get mine.

I agree TM.  That was Natalee and we all know it! ::MonkeyMad::

I like it with a little butter on it and nuked for 15 seconds. ::MonkeyTongue::

That would be really good, if Tim's up to it.  I would really like to hear more from him.  ::MonkeyCool::

Good night Ono!   ::MonkeyCool::

Yep, with his hand out.   ::MonkeyRoll::

Anna this is true.  We are going on 5 years.

I think Joran is going to be so money hungry that his two brothers better watch out.  I also think Anita and Paulus have discussed who they should leave their money to and they put a lot under Val's name.

Well, why would they send this DNA to the NL and the fabric to the FBI?

So much I don't understand.  And I think Kyle was just BSing to get more money for his tapes so don't need to be reminded of anything he said.  I don't know what to think about the contents of the crab trap.  It sure looked like a body to me but I was counting on an authentic ID from DNA.

I "THINK" it was Natalee but don't "KNOW" that it was.  And this is because Aruban LE snatched everything and ran with it.  Major screw up for them to be allowed to do that but it is probably also the law that anything found in Aruban waters goes to ALE.

Tim seemed to think there was some value to looking at the other traps.  Or was he just saying that to keep people on their toes?

I need to digest this more and think about it.  Internalize it.  I can't come to a conclusion quickly the way some of you can.  Will take me a bit longer.

I think so too.  He will be able to get more out of Anita face to face.

San, I agree.  And Anita better watch her back, too.  Val seems to be the most sane of their offspring and I have always thought he knew more about what happened that night than he has ever told.  I don't think he was ever questioned, was he?

A fifteen year old is nothing if not all eyes and ears.

I was out and missed the podcast, but reading back on all the comments, I just feel numb.   Is this the end of what we all dreamed would happen?  Is it really all coming to an end, and we will have answers?  Beth will have answers?  Male DNA...bull shit...it was Natalee...Tim knows it, and many others.  I hope that Joran does attend the service in Aruba, and I hope he is arrested and charged.  God, please help us now. 

Anna, I understand how you feel.  This is a lot to absorb.

I look forward to your opinion.

Wow.

Thanks, Klaas!

Again with the Schaefer and Silvetti, huh?   ::MonkeyNoNo::   I wish I could believe in them, but I don't.  Andy why trust ALE (140 targets left?) when they prevented justice in the first place?

This is so misguided.

JMO and only MO.

Anna it's Aruba.  They probably didn't send the remains to the Lab in Holland...just said that they did.
They had to send the fabric to the FBI because others saw it and knew that the FBI had a blouse like Natalee's.
Doesn't mean they sent the fabric that they thought would be a match to any of Natalee's clothing.

So true.

You are spot on Magnolia.

Right, TM!  Who is this "missing" male?  No family that guy has looking him?  Riiiight.  Stupid lying liars that lie.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

God Bless Tim Miller, truly and always, but he's seen too much to be so trusting and naive when it comes to working with Aruban law enforcement.

Wait a minute.  I'm listening to the full podcast now.


Grrr-man....the pond witness?!??!!?!!


I'm confused now...maybe I've just lost too much time in the last year, but I thought I pond witness was FOS and tied to Capslockwizard the 4-headed jackass who was meeting with Silvetti.

??

WTH?  I'm thinking this whole line of discussion is just to fill time?

I think Tim tries to keep from burning his bridges so that he can continue to go in and out of Aruba.

You are right Lifesong.  I think Klaas spliced out the only part of the pod cast that is of any real importance.
But Tim's part is very important.

Different pond witness I believe.  There was a witness that came forward while they were there then later too.  Caps may have been involved with both though.

I have always thought Paulus was in charge of disposal of Natalee's remains and he would never tell Joran for a fact certain what he did because he knew Joran would eventually babble.  That way he couldn't tell and Paulus could manage it all with the help of his best buddy Uncle Jan.

Going to have to rethink that and see if it still holds water.

I think the one they are talking about now is a woman named Geerman.

You're not alone.

This is the part that troubles me the most too.

And they should have NEVER trusted Aruban ALE for a second, they knew better than that before they ever left the USA.  Remember who WAS on the Persistence when Aruban ALE took ALL the evidence.  nuff said.

JMO, but I don't see any reason to spend another couple million searching the remaining targets when the prize was more than likely recovered two years ago.

I'll never forgive them for what they've done.

If that wasn't Natalee in that cage, the NAME of the MALE that was in the cage would have been plastered on every newspaper out of Aruba and more.  The grateful family would have verified that their DNA had been compared to the remains and on and on.....

IT'S BS, AND I'M NOT BUYING IT!  ::MonkeyMad:: :gaah:

Tim Miller needs to believe what he knows in his heart and his gut.  I heard it in his voice.

JMO

So, is this still the one that says they saw Joran half covered in mud walking away from the pond, then saw paulus driving the jeep with joran in the passenger seat driving back toward the pond?

Was that a woman?  Heheheh - how did I get so confused??  ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyWink::

They referred to the witness as "he", but one part of the name could be a woman's name.

I believe it's the same witness.

I heard it in his voice too, TM.   Tim knows what he saw!

But would the witnesses see the same thing if they were two different ones?

I am very confused about this and also the fact that Tim wants to look at the other 140 targets which would indicated he no longer thinks it was Natalee in that trap that was the subject of the ALE dive.

Otherwise he wouldn't want to look at the others, would he?

Or maybe he feels as I do that if that was her in that trap, it's just game over!  They absconded with what and whomever that was and we will never see any of that again, ever, ever, ever.

And I'm just not ready to go there.  I don't want that to be true and am trying to find a way to justify it not being.

Well, tomorrow we will have the witness' statement or polygraph posted to ponder as well.

Lifesong,

Wonderful to have you back in the cage.  I missed you!  And I am confused as well and am going to have to think on all this a bit before I can understand it.

And I am hoping in the meanwhile, the death of Paulus will losen tongues and someone will provide new information that will clairify some of this.

Yes, I think Tim goes along to get along sometimes and maybe that's what I'm trying to do as well.  But there is no way to un-do ALE taking all the trap contents and if it was Natalee, she's just gone forever.

I can see a possibility of the witness being truthful, and CLW still being FOS.

IF the body was hidden at the pond until the next day, and then taken out to sea.

But CLW insisted that Natalee was STILL in the pond...all of her...and then parts of her; besides the other places he claimed she was... cemetery...cave.

The name of the witness does disturb me, and makes me doubt they're for real.

Lie detectors can be beaten.

And considering that CLW and the "witness" were thisclose.  

I'm inclined not to believe the witness.

JMO

TCSMoM was posting and I missed her.  I am so proud her son finished law school and passed the bar but isn't it a shame we are still here waiting for justice after so long when everybody knows who is responsible and have known from the day it happened.

Anyway, TCUmom if you see this, congrats on your son's accomplishments and wish Natalee has been given to opportunity to reach her potential as well.

Didn't the witness just say they saw Joran coming from the direction of the pond?  He could have been washing evidence off there or something.  I think it was CLW who claimed Natalee was in the pond along with all manner of other things like the Kalpoes family owning motel, wild things like that.

Isn't the witness statement only about seeing Joran and Paulus that night with no claim to know what they had been doing?

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ive been here reading all along as well as in other threads. Glad this case is finally coming up again, hopefully with more info now. while listeningf too the podcast it just brought back memories of all we have posted or read here over the past 5 yrs. the only real thing that was new was the bs about the dna being male dna from the crab trap. who would believe anything from aruban LE at this point after all the lies that have been told and the cover up by them. pvds was a major player in this because he was involved he was not just protecting joran.good night for today will check in or read tommorow.  lov you guys for your tenacity in seeking justice for Natalee.

There is a new administration in office in Aruba, also.  That could be a positive factor.

Good night Sandy and see you tomorrow.   :smt015  Pleasant dreams.

I think Joran (the delicious sporter) was home studying for his exams...
And Paulus was sound asleep (with cell phone in hand)...

I think it's more of how the witness came to be for me.  Supposedly he had gone to the police but they wouldn't listen.  So he waits almost two years for the Persistence crew to go down there and hounds them until they listen to him?  I think if I were that witness and I'd already told ALE what I saw and they did nothing...I would be afraid of what might happen to me so I'd contact the FBI and at least tell my story in case I was found hanged (suicide of course) with my hands in my pockets.  But that's just me.

Like my friend the Church lady says it's just a little too convennnnient for me.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ya know what I mean?

Very interesting podcast....great to here Tim Miller and his take on things, along with Michael Cardoza and Steph Watts...
From what I gathered, Steph went to Thailand at the request of joran (who wanted to sell his story for $25K - to basically sell Paulus down the river -joran said he had a tape of Paulus admitting help in coverup). Steph was there in advance for Fox, Greta - didn't buy joran story, but had to check it out...Steph then went to aruba with Jim Hammer (for Fox) to confront Paulus with the story that joran wanted to sell Paulus out (Paulus reaction was that he maybe didn't know where joran was and couldn't believe his son tried to sell him out).
What really caught me though...Tim Miller said joran is a sociopath that really ran the family....and was the mind driving paulus to cover for him.....probably drove paulus to his grave....but joran the sociopath  would not accept that......

Surely you jest, Buckshot!

Persistence goes to Aruba to search for Natalee.
It is believed that she is in the ocean in a cage.
A cage had been stolen from Fh the night NH went missing.
Persistence finds crab trap in ocean (as sought).
Material in cage resembles clothed of NH.
Aruba (stalls and) tells them they need Holland assistance.
Out of nowhere...Aruba secretly dives cage, recovers contents, and disappears.
Weeks later, it is determined to be irrelevant to case.
No further explanation (to date) has been given.

Hmmm...Sure seems fishy...

I really appreciated at the end that Tim said he wanted to go to paulus funeral if joran was there....just to let joran know it is not over......

Would love to be a "fly on the wall" in that scenario...

Tim confirmed all in red and provided that aruba came back and said it was male DNA....
Tim also praised Louis and John...that part has me puzzled....unless he is protecting bridges and wants to stay in good terms with them.....

What was our darkside friends' explanations:
...Hermit Crabs.

An Instant Classic !!!

Hi Anna!   :smt039

I just finished the podcast and I agree with you... a lot to think about.  I was glad to hear Tim state unequivocally that Paulus disposed of Natalee's body.

I'm very confused about the 140 targets also.  Who is fooled into thinking that would be money well spent?   ::MonkeyNoNo::  I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.

I'm going to follow your lead and think on it for awhile. 

Well,  I would like to know exactly what the witness said versus what CLW said.  How much was added by CLW?  I hope the witness statement will be posted tomorrow so we will know which is which.

I think that Tim Miller knows alot more but just can't say.

You could be right cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCool::

Just wondering out loud:
Who was the (beachside spectating) psychic that knew a fairly pinpointed area in which to find the cage?
Did this person really have intentions to discover her remains? Or just another set-up?

But he does have alot of balls to go to the funeral.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

I agree with you both !!!

Yes, let's think about this.  Between this and that nutcase who shot up U of A @ Huntsville, I am getting a major headache.  Think I will take a couple of Excedrin and sleep on this and see if the witness statement is posted on that site tomorrow.

Goodnight, all!

Tim Miller explained the Germann witness in much more detail than I had heard before....the fact that he came to ALE early Jun 05 with his story....took a polygraph Sep 2, 2008, and Tim confirmed ALE heard from the witness in Jun 05....but that ALE discredited his story.....
But Tim did say the time line made sense, and that he believes joran/paulus could have hidden Natalee that early morning. The FH cage was broken into and paulus/joran could have disposed of Natalee the next night....Tim and Dave found the boat (Gotten...) that had been in the waters for 3 plus years...then immediately dry-docked after Natalee went missing...the family moved back to Holland (and I believe on to Atlanta)...
Natalee was most likely in the cage....mo

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm listening again to catch what I missed when my daughter was talking me...

At around 8:43/51:33 Tim Miller says "Ray Charles could see this was a cover-up." 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I always thought so.

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/?p=564

zuliana says:
February 11, 2010 at 1:15 am
el muerte de este persona, va el secreto del cuerpo de la chica gringa. i ahora quien va a mantener el ijho de su vida de jetset para guardar el secreto, porfin vamos conocer el secreto. el muerte del padre el secreto se revela

Google Spanish translation:

Zulian says:
February 11, 2010 at 1:15
the death of this person is the secret the body of the girl gringa. i now who will keep his life ijho
of jetset for secrecy, porfin we know the secret. the father's death reveals the secret

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Thanks Lifesong!  I missed that! 

Ok, this is starting to make more sense.  Tim pretty much lays out what he thinks happened.  I'd like to see the pictures again of the witness' house in relation to the raquetball club.  If they stashed the body on the first night and Paulus picked Joran up, then went back the next night and took her out to sea in the crab trap - then the whole dropping Joran off at the racquetball club figures in somehow to recovering the body and getting it to the boat.  No?

Michael Cardoza did point out the the witness probably believed what he said he saw....a wet joran missing a shoe and then paulus/joran returning in a red jeep.....But Michael said that doesn't mean it was paulus, joran....
To me...seems like an opening for CLW and the dis-info crew to take advantage...
Then again...Tim felt it could fit the time line where Natalee was temporarily hidden and the moved to the cage the next night.....

Just a reminder to keep a candle burning for Natalee, and her family!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


 ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm too tired to think anymore... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good night!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Good Nite all.    ::MonkeyGavel::

It makes perfect sense to me Lifesong.....
after listening to Tim say joran is a sociopath that ran the family...paulus/anita/younger brothers....
paulas protected joran as a lawyer....(told Dave he would do anything to protect his son)...
joran was the mastermind of the disposal with paulus providing high (legal) cover......with ALE/prosecution/ahata....

Just did a search on Geerman... here's result #19, no point - i'm just refreshing my memory.   ::MonkeyWink::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4783.msg749047;topicseen#msg749047



 

Exactly.   That's how then - what 2-3 years later? - Caps and his crew stepped in and twisted the witness' story making it sound as though she was still in the pond and hadn't been moved OR at least maybe Joran's shoe was there...

Caps/crew picked up on the witness story and ran with it...giving it life.....allowing witness to sell to Tim....Tim arranges polygraph.....witness believes so passes test......
Meanwhile...persistence finds cage 30 Dec 08...
To discredit.....witness and pond theory come to light...

My opinion....the podcast tonight brought out a lot to think about....for me...refreshed my memory that puts my focus back to the early days....first week of June 2005. 
Regardless of what I think about Paulus and Anita's roles....the ALE, prosecutors KJ...HM.....
It Starts with Joran......he IS a sociopath...controlled everyone and everything from the beginning....
With Paulus dead........what will be joran's next move.......we will see.....we will watch......we will discuss....
and we be here until Natalee, Beth, and Dave....receive Justice.....
Good Night Good Monkeys........

GoodNight & God Bless BillB...

Good Night Keepthefaith.... ::MonkeyAngel::
Like so many others.....I pretty much go to sleep every night praying for Justice for Natalee.....and wake up every morning hoping my prays have been answered..... ::MonkeyAngel::
It is only time.........

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Good morning Monkeys!  Male DNA my foot.  It will be interesting to see if Tim goes to the funeral.  Even though his wife is ill, (http://texasequusearch.org/) I pray he goes and looks the sociopath straight in the eyes the whole time.  Something has to give.  Someone knows the truth.  We're not going away!  ::CowboySmiley::

You know, the name Geerman and the capacity of "witness" just does not ring true for me. It's like "doctor" and the name Mengele. It just doesn't work.

Ok, let's say there is truth here for once. Who's in the cage? Male. Let's assume all that is true.

I remember Kyle saying that the cage was there 2-10 years if I recall correctly. I don't think this is missing Gary Makings. He was scuba diving when he vanished. No scuba gear was ever discovered to my knowledge. And not too many people swim into a cage and drown themselves.

I don't believe this is Buddy Larson, but I theorize it's possible none the less. After-all, the Aruban Authorities KNOW who else is missing and they have records and could claim anything. They are hardly a trustworthy source for info, and depending on them hardly seems fair.

I seriously doubt this is Jose Tromp - the missing guy that worked at KIA at one time. He was missing after the presumed dating of the trap.

There are probably many others missing that we just don't know about. The Aruban record keeping system leaves alot to be desired and I'm not even sure you can count on birth certificates there.

The very fact that the clothing appeared to look like Natalee's and the absconding of the trap's contents say there is more here. And who goes to the elaborate hoax of placing clothing and remains in a trap all to deceive. I know that some will say, well heck, the Arubans would do that. But it's just not practical in real life. There is no reason to stage a hoax that elaborate. That is how people are disposed of in reality. A pond hoax is more along the lines of the Aruban mindset and to steer away from a real potential discovery. That makes more sense.

At one time I was speaking with Gary's son. And to my knowledge no one has ever contacted anyone and said we have found your relative or loved one. You would think that with others missing identifying who that actually was would be a priority. Buddy didn't have many relatives and I spoke with either a girlfriend or ex-wife. I don't recall what she was now and she was hard to find. Finding others who knew Buddy was almost impossible and probably why there was little concern for his whereabouts.

Gary was married when the scuba accident happened and he was there with the new step-mother of the son I was speaking with. So, if that was Gary you might think she would have been notified. 

I believe Janet said it best - the chance was likely lost forever.

I guess I always believed that Paulus would not risk Natalee ever being found, but in reality, you do what you can in a flash when the missing teen's family is probably on their way. You usually don't plan how to clean up a mess this big on the spur of the moment and this may have been the best that could be accomplished.

Maybe it really is as simple as the Gottenbos boat out 2.1-2.2 miles and dropping the trap. It makes more sense than a call to Colombia and hired bifrons.

one more point. Both van der Sloot vehicles were confiscated. You could presume since Anita was away no one was driving her Kia, but Paulus was seen in the red Suzuki. Taking both vehicles says it was believed that Natalee was in one of those vehicles and Valentijn and Satish (IIRC) were asked if Joran drives.

As far as I know, the results of the search on those vehiles have never been released.

And it makes me wonder if this is part of Paulus' pre-mediation charge.

Precisely Rob.

At least this is one step in the right direction - Aruba admitting there were human remains in that cage.

So sorry Johan - NO HERMIT CRABS TODAY!!

Monkeys - it's certainly not over......

And that jives exactly with what Kyle told us.

Big, glaring discrepancy however = Kyle never said anything about the remains being those of a male.

I wonder why John Silvetti never told him Aruba had said that??

There was a delay of two weeks Anna.  Dolph Richardson himself took custody of what was recovered, and said he personally sent it to the FBI.  Two weeks later.

What the FBI received were two blue materials.  One was rubber.  The other they tested to see if it was Natalee's blouse.

And just like the blood = chocolate, "she did = "she didn't"

No actual reports from the NFI stating the remains were that of a male.

Surely if they had such a thing, Mos would have read it publicly, as he did the FBI's report?

Absolutely it was!!

It was far too coincidental to be otherwise, in my book!

Have we heard yet as to where/when the funeral is?

Great minds, Anna!!

Since the tape, I've doubted that much of anything was ever actually sent to the NFI.  And the few things that were, there was really nothing publicly mentioned about it (aside from the chocolate)  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Klaas, is there anything we can do to help facilitate this?

I'd like to have all of Kyle's pics and words in front of Tim before he goes on air again.

And not ONE freaking WORD about it to the Aruban public either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  NOTHING!

If that was really a man/boy, surely Aruba would have publicized something so his family could have him identified and claimed?

I absolutely do NOT believe this witness.  Will get back shortly with some info to help here.......

Not for sure, no. 

The focus had to be removed from the ocean, and from the cage once it was found.  That's a given, especially now knowing Aruba's admission that there WAS a deceased human being in that damned cage.

Remember the blurbs we kept hearing and reading about the capabilities of persistence?  Can spot an item the size of a baseball, can see all on the ocean floor.

They were very, very, very afraid Persistence would find exactly what they did find - Natalee's remains on the ocean floor in that fish cage.

They needed something, anything to try and pry focus away from that.

And in the process they destroyed many things that could have gotten Natalee back to her family.

Shame on them.  Shame on those who blindly followed them.  Shame on those who damaged and destroyed all that was working toward bringing Natalee home.

I'm sorry Monkeys.  I'm just so upset.  I'm just as heartsick as I was when Kyle first brought this info to us.

We knew where she was.  We knew where Persistence would find her.  And find her they did.

Greed, power, fear and control prevented what should have been the resolution Beth and Dave have been so desperately seeking.

Natalee should have been brought home.

Lifesong - have you read our In The Face of Evil series?  It lays out the whole next night of the disposal.

FYI today in Aruba....

02/15/2010 Carnival Monday is a Holiday

Here's a real short and sweet one, posted by my little green friend:

Mark Purcell sent and email to CapsLockwizard to go to the Freebirds blog.
Kawish Misier also sends and email to Capslockwizard to the Freebirds blog.

Capslockwizard signs up at SM on the date of the first ROV dive.

Lorenzo Webb
Geerman
Caps
all live at the same address!

They are all involved in the

Orchestrated POND HOAX!

Great post Jen - pretty much nails it.

Regardless of our universal link as humans and our innate desire to know everything (curiosity is a part of being human) ... Natalee's truth deserved to be known because she was a member of society and a contributing member I should add. Her truth deserves to be known because she was a human being with God given inalienable rights.

Good Morning all.

Did Aruba seriously think that they could swoop down on that cage, retrieve the contents of it in plain view, scurry off with the contents and think for one minute WE or someone would not question that?  If my memory serves me correctly Paulus and Anita were standing on shore watching the ship from the NL hovering over the cage.  WHY doesn't someone in our government question these actions and ask for an explanation?  I will never understand.

Good Morning all!

I agree with you both, and I'm mad as hell all over again!

I posted this over in the special prayer thread too, but wanted to make sure everyone here saw it.

I hope Tim and Georgeann know that we're all thinking of them and keeping them in our prayers.   

http://www.39online.com/news/local/kiah-miller-wife-cancer-story,0,5227175.story

(I didn't know how to bring the video over and didn't know how long it would be available on the website, so I uploaded it to photobucket. Click on the picture to see the video.)

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Founder of Texas Eqqusearch Takes Leave
Tim Miller Focusing on Wife's Health
Steve SimonKIAH

Walk into the office of Texas Eqqusearch in Dickinson and you'll see years of work. There are awards for a job well done, pictures of famous faces and faces of the victims Eqqusearch has looked for. But if you look in an office down the hall, there is something you won't see: Tim Miller has taken a leave for the first time.

"My heart is definitely here everybody knows that," Miller said.

Miller said it started with a pain in his wife Georgeann's shoulder, it ended with a diagnosis. Now, the man who has searched for so many victims searches for the best way to care for his wife's bone cancer.

"You know the last week-and-a-half has been one of the longest periods in my life, especially since Laura was missing," Miller said.

Laura was Tim's 16-year-old daughter. Her abduction and murder in 1984 prompted Miller to form Texas Eqqusearch. Since 2000, there have been 1126 searches for missing children and adults, many of them murder victims. There have been high-profile cases like Natalie Holloway in Aruba, Caylee Anthony in Orlando and here at home, "Tiki" Buggs in Fort Bend County. A heart attack didn't stop Miller from that search, but now his focus is Georgann's case.

Sherry McKinney is the office administrator. When the calls come in now the response is different.

"We're doing it by committee, 3 people are deciding the searches, the calls are not going to Tim," McKinney said.

"It's been emotional for everyone involved."

Miller said he has been getting calls and messages from police all over the country: "Let us be there for you" seems to be a common theme.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

She truly was, and it's just so utterly heart breaking to just plain flat KNOW all that conspired against her truth being known - and her family being able to have their loved one back.

It is NOT over.......... ::MonkeyMad::

Blue Moon - Yes, Paulus and Anita were on the beach.  I believe it was either Jan 6 or 7.  It was either the day before, or the day of the Aruban retrieval dive on that cage.

Thank you TxMom for that article and video.

Tim and his wife don't deserve this.  I am so glad to see so many are giving their support.

Tim has done so much for so many desperate families.  It's now he and Georganne's turn to be on the other end of the help and support.

Good morning Blue Moon!

I know how you feel, I will never understand the audacity either!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7060.msg1070189#new

 Tim & Georgeann Miller - Prayers Needed
This thread is in the Monkey Lounge

Thanks, Muffy! Sending Prayers!

Another doc filed that reiterates what has been filed/posted earlier:  ::MonkeyGavel::


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Dana Pretzer's daily commentary today is on the sudden death of Paulus van der Sloot:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/audio//20100215c.mp3

Thanks for the document Klaas, and the wonderful anonymous Monkey who helped by paying for it! ::MonkeyGavel:: ::CowboySmiley::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2657&offId=0&offDate=2010-2

Papiamentu/Google Spanish translation:

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No flak from me Dana.  All are entitled to their opinions.  ::MonkeyCool::

I agree with you that making light of paulus' death will not bring about the answers Natalee's family needs.

I also agree with you that the vd Sloots need to take stock in their situation and come clean themselves.

I've said it before - Anita needs to take a look in the mirror and reflect on everything she has said and done about Natalee and her family.  Perhaps she can soon get to a place where she is more understanding of the loss Natalee's family continues to go through.

IMO, knowing what I know, having learned all that I have - Paulus van der Sloot was directly involved in Natalee's demise.  Directly.

For me, that elicits no sympathy for the man's death.  You are right Dana - that man has something higher to answer to now.

Dana - any plans to have Tim Miller on your show?  His most recent comments, taken together with the information Kyle Kingman gave to us need to be examined, and expanded upon, IMO.

I have a list of questions I would love to see posed to Tim, if he is willing to come on your show.

Is Joran back on Aruba already?  ::MonkeyEek::

Well, I guess I am just low class.  I never before remember feeling happy that someone had died.
but I felt joy that Paulus was gone.

Already since his death, we have gotten new information and that is a good thing. IMO
Maybe more will be forthcoming.

No sympathy from Magnolia for you Paulus van der Sloot!!

Why do you think they threatened me?
I'm just a frog.

ARUBA - GIVE US NATALEE'S BODY BACK!

You can keep the tennis shoe and give it back to Joran.

Ck your email pls hunnie buns!

* Paulus van der Sloot died suddenly and unexpectedly to a healthy man

* Anita Hugen - van der Sloot RAN out of the country before any memorial for her loving hubby so ALL their friends, cops, neighbors, Oduber, van Straten, law partner - Carlo, Charles Croes, IFA members/friends, judge friends etc etc could say their good-byes.

* NOW suddenly it's announced that the bones in that cage were male.

It ain't over


ARUBA - GIVE US NATALEE'S BODY BACK! tick toc


kalpoes get a clue





 

ribbit.

 ::piggy::

OH MY GOSH -MISS PIGGY MADE IT TO SM!!!!


on my way sweetie-pie.

Not by a long shot.  ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks for all the links & updates ...   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Klaas for the headsup, and thanks Dana for your thoughts.

No flak from me either, I respect Dana's opinion.

 ::CowboySmiley::

Thanks darlin.  Give miss piggy smooches for me.

TxMom - do you know if there's a thread here somewhere that Dana checks?  Like maybe something dedicated to his show?

TIA

  (Raising my hand to the charge of being low class).    PVDS does NOT deserve respect in death, imo.  He had years to come clean.  And I don't believe "Joran is the only one who knows now".   Anita?

You can email him at dana@scaredmonkeys.com

By the way I sent him the link to Steph's show and my photobucket excerpt with just Tim talking about the trap and DNA and asked if he could get Tim on his show.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=8.0

Also maybe check front page.

Thank you very much Klaas!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks Muffy!!!  ::MonkeyKiss::

I believe this is referring to the same incident.   I think 24ora is updating their servers today.:

www.24ora.com

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I piss on Vader Sloot’s grave, a man who has tortured an innocent girl’s family for five
VERY LONG years. I too, have no class. ::MonkeyKiss::

thanks Klaas!  thanks to all the3 Monks for the posts. I was away for a Valentine's Weekend with my family.  Will keep reading, just wanted to say thanks to all. This is the first I have heard of DNA found in the trap. And like Rob said if Aruba says is male DNA you can bet your butt it's female. I have always believed they found Natalee's remains in the trap.

Yes, thank you Klaas.

I'm very confused as to what Tim said about the possibility of Natalee being in another trap.

What if the Persistence endeavor was used by the authorities to misinform.  Could Aruba have set this up knowing that Natalee was elsewhere or has Tim been duped?

I do not believe Joran is the only one who knows now either. 
Too many people involved in the cover-up and many of them know something.  ::MonkeyMad:: IMO.

Well, I am still thinking about all this.  But then I have never been one to go "whole-hog" into any theory.  It does beg the question if Tim thinks Natalee has already been found, why bother with the other 140 targets?

And if you use the ole Aruban reverse, remember it is DOMPIG who says Natalee is on the ocean.  Wouldn't that mean she is really on land?

I'd just hate to jump on this fish trap thing based only on Dompig's word about anything.  And there is the nagging thought about why the Sloot compound was so protected.  What if she's still under that concrete after all?

But as I said, I'm not one to ever jump on any particular theory with all that much enthusiasm because I don't trust Aruban information and in this instance, certainly not the word of Dompig.

But I do understand why some are so positive Natalee was in that cage, etc. and she may well have been.  I'm just angry that now we have no way of knowing and if she was, then that means she is gone to us forever.

JMO

Thank you Anna for posting your thoughts...I've been looking forward to them and more as you continue to think about this.

So many WHAT-IF'S...and it sure would have been nice to see that concrete
torn apart at the VDS residence.

I would not rule out a talk with Joran's brother Val at some point as I have always thought he knew far more than has been told.  Remember at one time he was the only one Joran wanted to speak with when in jail and I have always thought it was to shut him up.

Strange though he seems, he seems to be the only Sloot with a hint of normalcy and being away from there these last couple of years may have cleared his head enough for him to actually think instead of just acting in cover up mode.

He would be the one I would target for information.  I don't think Anita will ever do anything except lie.  And Joran will lie about what he had for lunch.  Youngest kid seems total airhead from his vids so that just leaves one Sloot to ask.

As always, JMO.

You're welcome, Can and thanks for yours as well.  There are so many things we have thought we knew over the years that came to nothing or turned out to be not true that I am just cautious about what I believe any more and tend to keep things simple and try not to base everything on what any one person says regardless of who it is saying it.

I'd also like to know more about what else Paulus "Wiretaps" was into and what Mos meant by the DEA being one of the reasons this was never solved.  Were they already listening to Paulus when this happened?  Or afterwards?  Is what they heard inadmissable?  Would that prevent it from being used even if verified by another source?  I have always thought that for some reason, maybe under Aruban law it does.

Even after all this time, we still have so many more questions than answers.


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I, too, must be low class. Cause I'm thrill Paulus is dead. If it take 6-8 more people dying to get the answers.. oh well. I will never have one iota of compassion for any of these dregs. All this turn the other cheek stuff now that a coward is gone? I don't think so.

Paulus had no redeeming qualities and we're all better off with him gone. Any answers he took to the grave were never going to be shared unless he was tortured Soviet gulag style.

To want him alive for those answers alone is only allowing yourself to be fooled.

I agree Rob.I also believe as the hands of time continue to Tick_Tock,power shifts from time to time on that rock,and friends and foes alike turn on each other,they will dig each others graves one by one.For me,very simple.None of those POS can trust each other as far as they can throw one another.The house will crumble from within!JMOO and what do i know? ::MonkeyCool::

But we have more answers today than we did yesterday.
There is no Aruban Law.  They have made up the rules as they went along.
They have destroyed the evidence as it has been found.

As Paulus and Anita and Joran have said:..."that mother, she just wouldn't go away."

texasmom, thanks for posting this.

 ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice::

Thanks Klaas.

Dana Pretzen and Steve Holloway have both taken the high road in regards to Paulus van der Sloot.  I wish I could travel that high road with them but ... every time I venture out ... a road block in my mind reminds me that loyalty to Natalee Holloway is where it is at.  IMO.

It does appear from the interview that Tim Miller is not a believe in Kyle Kingman's own words.

Janet

++++++

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:   I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand.

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment ...

Kyle Kingman:  After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kyle Kingman:  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman:  Several hours of footage were of other (ROV) dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.

Credit: Kermit - Scared Monkeys

WOW  Carpe ::MonkeyDance::  It has really felt good to have so many of our 'old' posters back here.....I hope y'all stay.

Great news!  Surely the Kalpoes must realize they could not file a lawsuit and not testify!

But you never know as they have some very strange ideas on how things work on that flyspeck.

Nice to have you back Janet! ::MonkeyCool::

I have been biting my tongue for about three days now... and deciding if I should say this or not..I have really been tapping toes, rolling eyes and dry heaving all over myself AND I KNEW it was bound to happen.

Paulus was a good man.

Natalee was a whore.

Paulus was a family man.

Natalee got what she deserved.

Paulus was taken way too soon.

Natalee ran away before.

Paulus was a wonderful lawyer.

Natalee used drugs and overdosed herself.

Paulus was the patriarch of the family.

Natalee is dancing in South America.

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Condolences for Paulus. Pity for Paulus. Sympathy for Paulus. It's understood why he did what he did for his son. And what HE had to endure the last five years. And a screwball from another site wants to volunteer to make a trip to the funeral. Just sick.

Spite for Natalee. Disdain for Natalee and her family. She was an insurance scam. No mention of what Natalee's family had to endure.

There are some people in this hemisphere, especially those with screwed up nicknames, that need to examine their value system and moral compass.

My personal hope is a tsunami hits Aruba and wipes the whole thing clean. And lastly, that God turns old leather face into a pillar of salt, and then the whole thing collapses into the sea under a foam that boils with all the noxious fumes that only hell can create.