Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

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 ::cartwheel::

KLAAAAAAS!!

hotping cheated.  I just know she did.

Janet

Good Morning Monkeys

Hotping - You asked what to research........................I hope this is helpful.

Schaefer
Legacy Offshore
Underwater Expeditions
 
Silvetti
GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK)
Alternative Positioning Solutions LLC -APS
Silvetti Marine Services LLC
Marine Surveys LLC
five GeoLab Companies;
GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).


DO THEY HAVE A CONNECT TO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING?

Permian Asset Management
Permian Energy 
GBK CAPITAL N.V which is GOMEZ, LINCOLN DELWIN
GPJ HOLDINGS, INC which is Justin Solomon
Seisma Oil Research, LLC
Partner Bret Boteler, of Enermax, Inc Based In Hurst, TX, 
about their exclusive drilling partner Evans Energy (E2) 
4G Companies 
Neofirma
Director of GeoTech Oil
Geotech, LLC 
Geotech operates as Geotech Oil & Gas Company, LLC  or any other companies Justin Solomon might be involved in
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Note - Permian Energy.........have to be careful on Permian energy.
The one we are looking for they say all the employees are part of the company which I assume to be Permian Asset Management...  there is a Permian Energy based out of Texas that I followed for two days but I do not believe is the right one.

  ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.youtube.com/v/Us-TVg40ExM&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash


And speaking of loyalty

STAND BY ME

Wonderful rendition!

 ::MonkeyDance::

Thank You Jen! I really appreciate this information.....I will see what I can dig up!  ::MonkeyCool::

The Lifetime website is now up.

http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/movies/natalee-holloway

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

YW Hotping.

And thank YOU!!!!!!!!!

I don't have much time for research lately - so any Monkey that can help is truly a blessing!!

OT But may be of interest to those interested in the Netherlands & Queen Beatrix:

Car hits crowd at Dutch parade; kills 4, hurts 13

25 minutes ago

APELDOORN, Netherlands (AP) — Dutch authorities say four people were killed and 13 injured when a car careened, apparently deliberately, into a crowd watching Queen Beatrix and her family at a holiday parade.

Prosecutor L. Goossens says the incident appeared to be deliberate, but not an act of terrorism.
<snip>
The small black car plowed through a line of spectators then slammed into a stone monument just a few meters from the open bus where the queen and the royal family were being greeted by the crowd.
<snip>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilgyK22JkrE2dgeitbQ9O52O8OXAD97SR56G2

Here's some more business names that might/could be involved...

   BOTELER, BRET L

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TITAN RESOURCES, INC 

BOTELER, BRETLEE   

Associated names:

 BOTELER, BRET LEE

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 MOSSVILLE # 1 2006 JOINT VENTURE
 TRIPTE H-RE JOINT VENTURE
 WEST JANICE #1 JOINT VENTURE
 WHARTON B 2006 JOINT VENTURE
 ENERMAX OIL & GAS HOLDINGS, LLC
 ENERMAX OPERATING, LP
 ENERMAX, INC

Some things I gleaned from the post bastibro brought over.

1 - The family is aware of things that the public isn't - which means they have more knowledge (and hopefully evidence of some sort) that further prove what happened to Natalee.

My thoughts on that?


GREAT!!!!
If they felt able to share what they know - people could likely help them get to the bottom of things.

2 - In one breath the poster berates others who have caused Natalee's family heartache and harm, and in another she's saying she doesn't like applying criminal terms to people that cannot be proven - which is exactly what Beth after she learned some crucial information..........accused J2K of kidnap, rape and murder.

My thoughts on that?

The poster is condeming Beth for what she has done, while at the same time trying to elevate herself above Beth and her actions.

That's just self serving, an attack from behind, and all the while - she has Jug asking her for help.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I sure hope he sees that post of hers and can understand her feelings about their actions!

What in the world is up with some of the people this family chooses to be in their corner to help them?

Purcell, Renfro, Reality and Ramm on one side of the family

And posters like this one on the other side.

I just don't get it.


Of course, I do understand that Natalee's family cannot possibly spend the necessary time on the internet to see all of the posts of all of these people, in order to have a complete understanding of their true feelings and thoughts.

So I guess I could understand them taking uninformed actions.

Anna ... thank you.

I had the speaker on high so Stand by Me was blaring throughout the entire household.

I had to laugh.  My two eldest grandsons (9/11) are homeschooled.  As Papa is on a fishing trip ... I am the teacher on call (TOC) today while Mom had other committments.

The boys are already working at the kitchen table attempting to finish their assignments early so that they can have some video game time later ... a special privilege not afforded throughout the week by their parents.  Anyways ... eleven year old grandson just called out to me "MAMA ... TURN THAT MUSIC DOWN".  Talk about a reversal of roles.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

GOOD MORNING ALL!

Janet
8:25 AM PT

Gotta Love It!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

OOPS... Forgot to say Good Morning to Ya Janet!
Have a Great Day Monkeys!

I have some errands to run then I'll see what I can dig up on The Contract 

BBL!

Isn't saying you have OFFICIAL sources that ARE either Dutch or Aruban about as reliable as the Queen Beatrix Airport's radar system?

  ::MonkeyHaHa:: YEP!

Yet another one contacting Jug Twitty!  Would hate to have to read that man's email!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

REMINDER

GBMW - IN HER OWN WORDS

GBMW
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #264 on: May 05, 2008, 11:42:15 AM »

I'm also not that convinced about the involvement of the Kalpoe Brothers or the huge cover up as most SM posters are...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg378915#msg378915


GBMW
Re: THE KALPOE'S INVOLVEMENT
« Reply #123 on: May 15, 2008, 09:59:56 AM »

... If you don't like Briany's posts....just ignore them...don't respond. As long as she / he isn't bashing Natalee or her family (and being critical somewhat isn't bashing) I don't see what the problem is.

Beth hasn't been an angel in this case....100% understandable and I don't blame her...but it doesn't mean innocent people didn't get hurt enormously because of her.

I'm getting the feeling I'll have to go to RU and give a big fat apology for defending this forum.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2823.msg381576#msg381576

water seeks it's own level...and I think she is below sea level both literally and figuratively  ::MonkeyHaHa::

posting at the bottom of the barrel shouldn't need an explanation - you just do it cause that's where liked minded people reside.

Jen ... I agree.

I have complete confidence that happenings are taking place behined the scenes in regards to the John Silvetti deception revealed in Kyle Kingman's own words ... happenings that the family is well aware of.

In other words ... I trust that Kyle Kingman's own words submitted to both SM and the Natalee's Freebirds' sites have been documented by those in a position to eventually make a difference through an investigation into the perceived furthering of the Aruban coverup ... the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for almost four years..

IMO

Janet

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2007

THE OCEAN SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

In mid December of 2007 a crew of Americans on board a vessel named The Persistence begins a search for Natalee Holloway's remains in the waters off Aruba.  On Christmas Day a discovery is made while sonar scanning the ocean floor.  The discovery was a large fish trap.  On December 29th an ROV is ultilized to capture images of what is contained within.

Kyle Kingman, the ROV operator and remote analysis on board the Persistence, came to the conclusion that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been placed within that trap.

However, on a December 30, 2007, Aruban divers claimed that their investigation revealed there was nothing related to the Natalee Holloway case inside the trap.

John Silvetti, the Project Lead on board the Persistence, accepted the words of the Aruban divers unconditionally.   
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The Persistence - Key Personnal

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:   I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand.

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising.

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman: Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility.

Kyle Kingman:  When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive.  He couldn't tell by his own admission.

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection.

Kyle Kingman:  John (Silvetti) is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


2008

THE RECOVERY DIVE

On January 7, 2008 Aruban divers sampled and recovered the contents of the large fish trap disovered with sonar on the ocean floor off the coast of Aruba on Christmas Day, 2007 by the ROV operator and remote analyst on board the Persistence.

The crew of the Persistence were not involved in the recovery process ... only the Arubans.
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In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Here's our friend Jen Hale...weighing in on January 1, 2008.  Interesting date, that, especially for this headline and closing line.  Sorry though, if you read the article then you too will again have to stomach Kyle's waxing poetic over what we know to be a violent and tragic injustice.


http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/-VTM_2008_01_01_0002/22353/


Crews Nearing End of Search for Natalee Holloway

Jennifer Hale/NBC 13
Published: January 1, 2008

ARUBA:  A deep water search for missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway is nearing its final stages. Since December 15th, an oil exploration crew from south Louisiana has used sonar equipment to scour Aruba's ocean floor looking for Natalee.  Once that's done, the crew will concentrate on watching all that video, and then deciding whether human divers should go down and re-inspect any of the objects.

At night - when Aruba's waters are calmer, the crew of "The Persistence" drags sonar lines behind the boat, mapping out what's on the ocean floor. it's been tough going- especially when old fishing gear gets tangled in the sonar lines.  Another challenge- Aruba's strong ocean currents.  The currents kept pulling the robots off course until the crew gained more control over the robots by weighting them down.

Crew member Kyle Kingman is keeping an online blog. He writes: "The stress is intense... inside we all hope and pray tomorrow goes perfectly."

Since Sunday December 29th, robots called "ROV's" are diving down during daylight hours and shooting video of the objects detected by sonar equipment.

In Tuesday's latest blog entry, Kingman writes:

"The seabed appears lifeless and void. As the ROV touches down onto the deep seafloor...a cloud erupts. As the silt settles in the darkness...the ROV is in total solitude, stillness and cold...It is a relief to have it back on board "The Persistence" in relative safety."

The crew of "The Persistence" realizes there's no room for error. Aruba's sea floor is full of wrecked ships and other unsolved mysteries. The crew is still confident they'll succeed. Kingman writes:

"The...sonar data reveals the seabed as if it were a scroll...The numerous ROV dives are the rosetta stone for reading the great manuscript."

"The Persistence" is searching a stretch of the ocean floor about the size of Manhattan.  They're working on the last section of that area now. The crew of "The Persistence" hopes to solve the mystery of Natalee's disappearnace in the next few days.

   :2waver:    Hi Janet!


I'm thinking maybe one of your famous shoo-fly pies would lure Kermit back sooner...?



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http://www.cbaruba.org/cba/readBlob.do?id=1325

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I have one of those pies in the freezer.  It can be thawed ... warmed in the over and ... served lickity split.  I can also whip up some real cream lickity split.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet

GBMW

It is obvious that you do not believe that there is a coverup in the Aruban investigation ... a coverup to protect Paulus and Joran from implication in the events that encompass the morning of May 30, 2005.  If the coverup is to be successful Deepak and Satish also have to be protected from implication.

Think about it.  The Kalpoes are not going to go down alone.  If they are implicated they are going to take Paulus and Joran with them as well as the sons of the elite.

Janet

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WORDS OF STEVE COHEN

Steve Cohen, the spokesperson for the investigation, claimed that two of the suspects had sex with Natalee Holloway.

Cohen did not retract his claim.  He only stated that it was not part of the "official record".  Inquiring minds want to know if two of the suspects claimed to have sex with Natalee ... why is it not part of the official record.
__________________

Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case  and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) -- Serious sunshiny days and sun-kissed smiles are about to greet the Caribbean island of Aruba sometime soon. Tourism has been shattered by the case of a single incident of an Alabama girl missing since spring break of last year. Closure on the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance seems imminent. The timeline drawn is about six to seven months from yesterday's announcement.

This, according to SMDG Consulting Team chairman Stephen Cohen, adviser to the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA) and the Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force who spoke at the Caribbean Marketplace being held in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Cohen's team is tasked with bringing out the facts in the case and establishing a more orderly approach in dealing with the media in a crisis situation. A seasoned television news expert from CBS, Cohen has been part of the SMDG team since the beginning of the investigations.

If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. "Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …


Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.  

If Kermie will come visit with me we will feed her Derby pie.  Hmmmmmmmmmmm.  Kentucky Derby party today and the pie was to die for.   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::

Is the main ingrediate horse meat?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Kermit may want it smothered in Ketchup.

Janet

GBMW

In his own words Deepak Kalpoe claims that on the morning of May 30, 2005 he was attempting to obstruct an anticipated investigation into the disappearance of an 18 year old American citizen by implying sexual activity had been involved.  At this point in time, Natalee had yet to be discovered missing by her Mountain Brook friends.
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OBSTRUCTION OF A NON-EXISTING INVESTIGATION

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following. The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.

No Janet.  The main layer is Chocolate.  Delish.

So horse meat could be considered a secondary layer.

   ::MonkeyTongue::

Maybe mix a cup of horse flies could make up a third layer.  I know Kermit would appreciate.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

LUNCH TIME!

Janet
1:10 PM PT

Janet

DEEPAK PANICKED

GBMW

If Joran van der Sloot’s words in the Peter Devries / Patrick van der Eem video recording exonerates Deepak and Satish Kalpoe from implication in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005, the court testimony of Carlos Ramos’ observation and identification of Deepak Kalpoe can be disregarded.
__________________

Carlos Ramos - Gardener
Court Hearing
August 15, 2005

I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday. I went to Lorena on Monday night, then I went to work, told that I saw a car standing along the way when I drove along there. I cannot remember on which day I saw the photograph of the persons in the newspaper. The photograph, which the police force showed me, is the same photograph as the photograph that appeared in the Diario. You ask me how can I know or recognize the persons from the photograph in the newspaper or that I had seen that night. The first time then I saw the photograph in the Diario I had been astonished and I said that to colleagues. You represent me that I have explained that I have recognized the persons from their construction and mail hour. You ask me if I could see from my position in the car. My position was a bit is higher, in the turning I had drive concerning a sand hill as a result of which my position was a bit slanted. As a result, I could look at in the car. I have recognized the car from the rims. Also to the color and the transparent squares. You ask me if I can designate the persons, which sat in the car. Yes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=271.msg41646;topicseen#msg41646


Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005

I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road. I had slowed down to drive past there. The lights of my car "from" shining on that car. The person beside the driver, kept its hand for its head and face. I saw that the driver slid a bit to the back.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=271.msg41646;topicseen#msg41646


Nancy Grace - July 26, 2005

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO":  Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


CNN LARRY KING LIVE - February 23,2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

GBMW

Gerold Dompig’s official position within the Natalee Holloway investigation dictates that inside information was at the foundation of his words regarding his suspicion encompassing the involvement of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.
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WORDS OF GEROLD DOMPIG

Aruban police say new tapes could spur arrests
Police official tells 'Abrams Report' about latest in the Holloway case
TRANSCRIPT
updated 6:14 p.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 12, 2005

GERALD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE:  DOMPIG: Exactly. And I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators.

So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them. And there's no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible.

So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 2nd
updated 8:26 a.m. PT, Thurs., Nov. 3, 2005

RITA COSBY, HOST:  Do you believe, Chief—you said to me even before this interview that you believe the boys are guilty as hell. Do you believe they‘re involved in her disappearance?  

GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBA DEPUTY POLICE CHIEF:  Yes.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9910586/from/RL.3/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 5
updated 9:40 a.m. PT, Thurs., April. 6, 2006

GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE: I want to state once more that I still believe that these boys have been lying. They‘re still lying, and everybody knows that by now. So there‘s no doubt in my mind that they know something

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187266/

2JN ... I created another thread

DISETTI / CAPSLOCKWIZARD COINCIDENCE

Would you please add - NO DISCUSSION to the title.

Discussion regarding the  coincidences and the Marco issue can take place in the other thread.

Thanks

Janet

Edit-fixed title

Klaas

Pack your bags...we may be having a trial in the Dr. Phil/K2 case:

 04/29/2009 at 08:30 am in Department 69, Edward A. Ferns, Presiding
Conference-Case Management - Trial Date Set

04/29/2009 at 01:00 pm in Department 69, Edward A. Ferns, Presiding
Ruling on Submitted Matter




Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

05/06/2010 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

05/17/2010 at 09:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial

Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::

Guess we don't have to rush to pack....does the date say 2010??  sheesh...

Am I reading this right, trial date set for 2010 and not 2009?

Well, that's enough time to request vacation....maybe a little beach house by Santa Monica or Manhattan Beach...hmmmm...

LOL...Blue Moon

Well listen Tamikosansmom,

There is certainly a coverup at Evil Island but, but the Dutch OM is NOT part of it!

Please, please get real ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you ::MonkeyCool::

bastibro

Don't know if you're joking...but the original Attorney General Theresa whatever had a nice letter explaining all the errors by her Dutch OM, Karen Jansen.  The Dutch wanted Hans so badly he is being sent to St. Maarten.  He will fit right in with their politicians.

That means it will be 4 years since this case was brought forward.  Those scumbags do not deserve to be in our courtrooms.  I guess I am very disappointed that they get to be heard in our country yet Natalee cannot be heard in their courtroom in their country.  It is all so damned unfair.

I'm just glad Phil isn't settling. I just want their testimony on the record.

You think Deepak & Satish would be nervous having to come to America and give a deposition??Me thinks so..... ::MonkeyCool::

I agree Buckeye yet for some reason I just cannot see those 2 scums on a stand answering anything nor will they turn over what needs to be turned over.  I am surprised a judge has let this stand and not dismissed it.  I guess they will get their day in court unlike Natalee.

Is this date of 2010 correct or is that a typo?

GBMW

It can be assumed that there was a foundation that Karin Janssen derived her suspicions from which warranted the initial arrest of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in June, 2005 as well as the second arrest in August, 2005.  Then there were the third arrests of the Kalpoe brothers in November, 2007.

Also, there must have been a foundation that the family’s Arban attorney derived from when she confirmed that there were suspicions regarding a gang rape and murder which involved Deepak and Satish. 
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1.  FIRST ARREST - JUNE, 2005 - KARIN JANSSEN

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


2.  SECOND ARREST - AUGUST, 2005 - KARIN JANSSEN

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)

(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


NANCY GRACE
Kalpoe Brothers Rearrested
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I don`t think this has to do with a lot of wiretapping. I do believe it has to do with bringing forth the new evidence. It has to do with the case approaching the 60 days and that they are adding new evidence so they can have the case going.

GRACE: OK, what new evidence, Helen?

LEJUEZ: The rape case.

GRACE: OK. You said new evidence. What "new evidence" regarding Natalee Holloway do you think prosecutors have?

LEJUEZ: Right now, they`re talking about a gang rape. So when we talk about a gang rape, we talk about a gang. The gang consisted of three of them. Right?

GRACE: Right.

LEJUEZ: Even though -- even though maybe it`s not out that the other suspect that`s in jail right now will be added to the gang, he is part of the gang.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Kalpoe Brothers Re-Arrested
Tuesday, August 30, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY:  Well, I think it's a big moment, Greta. You know, the prosecution and the investigation is moving very carefully. They don't want to make more mistakes, and they are very careful. So they must have had some real, real evidence and new facts that they felt confident enough to haul them back in.

… Well, it means that the investigation is moving forward and there's hope that we might go towards a trial because, at first, I was doubting whether we were even facing a trial. It shows that the police have done some good work and apparently gathered evidence, new evidence enough for to bring them back in custody.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html


THIRD ARREST - NOVEMBER, 2007 - HANS MOS

Three Young Men Re-Arrested in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
Thursday, November 22, 2007

Dutch student Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were arrested on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway, the prosecutor's office said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312488,00.html


Aruba's Chief Prosecutor on New Evidence Against Holloway Suspects
Tuesday, November 27, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.  "We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


updated 1:17 p.m. EST, Fri December 7, 2007
Van der Sloot ordered released from Aruba jail

All three suspects, who were arrested and released during the investigation in 2005, were rearrested November 21, with authorities citing new and incriminating evidence against them. That new evidence has not been disclosed, but Mos has said it was gathered from advanced techniques used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/07/aruba/index.html


Aruba's Chief Prosecutor on New Evidence Against Holloway Suspects
Tuesday, November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

HANS MOS, ARUBA'S CHIEF PROSECUTOR:  And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html

JOHN Q. KELLY

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007

KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html

Yep Buckeye, we in the Netherlands realize that Hans Mos is not the most smart prosecutor the Dutch have ever seen but, we also know that he is NOT corrupt.

Neither is Karin Jansen corrupt.

What I`m trying to say is that they were, at least at that time, incapable to deal with the pressure this case brought along(They made mistakes) but they are NOT corrupt!!

Please believe me and take this to heart because you all`ve been on a dead track until this very moment ::MonkeyNoNo::

There was/is a cover up in Aruba, however that`s limited to Joran, the Klaploe`s, Paulus, Voc(King) and IMO to one or two other persons.

This whole crab trap theory, that`s the distraction here at Scared Monkeys.

Thanks for appreciating my opinion ::MonkeyCool::

I don't think typo because it is repeated.   :smt102

Don't miss tonights Dana Pretzer show!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u

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WOW, this is excellent news IMO.  So the Dr. Phil people didn't push to settle!  I love it!  MAY 2010!!  A mere 5 years after they murdered Natalee Holloway and disposed of her body.  Maybe in the Dr. Phil case we can get some answers?

The decisions are only determined by the evidence presented. Thank God, Nico Jorg presented supplemental evidence, or Paulus would have gotten paid.  Please don't tell me Jansen couldn't deal with the pressure.  She prosecuted a whole gang, in Holland. If they were unable to function they should have filed motions to the Hague describing their inability to perform their duty and why.  They are either part of the problem or they are hiding from it. Either way, it is injustice for an eighteen year old girl and her family.  Who was to represent the victim?

Klaas

Maybe you could check the 4/29 Ruling and see if it says anything important...please...thanks.

I just checked and nothing is available yet.  Even though it shows the ruling the documents for that ruling have not been filed or not updated in the website.  I'll check again tomorrow.

POST OF THE DAY!!!

Buckeye ... NOBODY was respresented Natalee Holloway.

In the words of Beth Holloway ... "The defence was running the show."

Janet

+++++++


LOVING NATALEE - Beth Holloway

Page 183:  The Dutch interrogators, who have tried as hard as the FBI to help us, come up to the room. They are trying to make heads or tails of this. "In Holland this would never have happened' one of them tells me. "The defense is running the show".  They were as shocked as we were that the 3 will be released and said information was presented to the judge that showed ample reason to keep them in custody.


NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: ... We go back and we remember that Paulus Van Der Sloot and Antonio Carlo have been connected since the very beginning and really just kind of running the show. I mean, the defense attorneys seemed to be running the show in Aruba last summer. So it doesn`t surprise us at all that he would prevail again here.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html

May 17, 2009 is a Sunday....in 2010 it's a Monday....Not a typo, imo.

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http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.weekbladparty.nl%2Fcontent%2F43Showbizz.asp&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0=&swap=1

THE WHOLE CRAB TRAP WAS THE ULTIMATE END OF THE COVERUP.  Case closed, no body, no case.

Innnnnn the yearrrrr 2525.......if man is still aliveeeee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmgJP-1FQJQ

You are the BEST!

darn you nut, now I will have that song playing in my head all night.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Bastibro..Any of your other forums talking about Capslockgizzard and the pond hoax???We do have the evidence to prove Caps lied and it was a hoax!

Right on Blue Moon!!

What was so sad ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ...  Americans ... John Silvetti and Tim Trahan ... were participants to the finale to the Aruban coverup  ... the coverup that has prevented justice form prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I'm glad this was brought over, thank you Janet.

My issue with this post may be a bit outside the norm. 

I do want to be clear though, I am addressing no individual person or poster, rather I take enormous offense at the insidious and pervasive attitude now widely used to reason away the only real path to justice in the face of corruption. 

It is a clever trap.

The Aruban people are not some kind of sub-species.  How they have achieved this world handicap when it comes to civil rights and political activism is nothing more than a symptom and result of Western racism and discrimination.  This attitude about the "good people of Aruba" is not logical.  These are a people, conventional wisdom implies, that should not be punished for the deeds of a few.  They depend upon our tourism.  They deserve to be happy.

Evidently, we are to hold the Aruban people to a lower standard than the rest of the free world.  Evidently we are to believe they are not capable of self-direction.  We are to use them as our vacation stewards, maids, servers, drivers, tip them, to pat them on the head and go home.  We are to use them as the Dutch do, I guess.  Oh, the poor Arubans.

Come on!

This is the only smart play ATA/AHATA has made...because if you don't think about it too much it seems compassionate and kind, the right thing to think, what you should feel.

Well, I don't believe it. 

I believe if you love your country you fight for it, you stand up for it, and you speak truth to it.  I believe the Aruban people have the same abilities and capabilities as the rest of the human race.  And I hold my expectations of them just as high. 

I expect them to rise up against corruption and waste.  I expect them to want better for their beloved island and to fight for it.  I expect them to offer more for a tourism dollar than just a sandy beach.  I expect them to have integrity as a people.  I expect them to create a destination to be proud of.  I expect leaders to rise up from them, in a grass roots effort born of being sick and tired and embarrassed that the rest of the world just rolls their eyes at the nonexistent strength of the Aruban people.  That Rudy Croes is the best they can do and they re-elected him after he humiliated all of them in front of the world is pathetic and I'm not giving them a pass for it.  I expect them to get involved, to protest, to rally, to create change.  I don't expect perfection, but I will not settle for doing nothing and claiming to be deserving. 

No Aruban deserves my tourism dollar.  No citizen of the world deserves my tourism dollar.  It is mine to give.  Why on earth would I take it to a people to lazy to earn a reputation worth having?

Pssstt....arubans....listen up....you guys do realize you have them outnumbered, right?  Rise up!  Root out your corruption!  It's what the rest of the free world has to do.

For those that might take issue with this, let me help you.  Heh heh.  I've never been to Aruba.  I've been to Jamaica, Barbados, St. Maarten, Martinique, and the Caymens.  I have met great people in all of those places, and I'm sure, to a person, the Arubans are no less friendly.  This is not about friendliness, so as you take issue with my thoughts please note I haven't accused the Aruban people of being complicit in what happened to Natalee that night nor have I accused them of being inherently unkind. 


JMO and Only MO

INGEZONDEN:
Geachte heer van Nie,

Ik lees weer op uw website dat onder meer ik als Arubaanse P-G in de cruciale eerste tien dagen na de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway de zaak verpest heb.

Ik heb u al eerder op gewezen dat dit in strijd is met de waarheid en ik heb u ook verzocht op te houden met onwaarheden te verkondigen.

Ik zal u nog een keer zeggen hoe de zaak werkelijk in elkaar steekt. Natalee is in de nacht van 29 op 30 mei 2005 verdwenen. Ik was tot en met 6 juni, de eerste acht dagen na de verdwijning, in Nederland. Ik heb wel gedurende die dagen telefonisch contact gehad met hovj Janssen en ik heb haar meerdere malen gezegd dat zij die drie jongens, die als laatste met haar waren, moest laten aanhouden. Haar antwoord was dat die jongens eerst getapt moesten worden, want anders had de politie "niets om het verhoor in te gaan". Toen ik in Aruba terugkeerde heb ik haar opnieuw gezegd dat zij die jongens moest aanhouden. Haar antwoord was toen dat ze aan het wachten waren op videomateriaal uit Nederland, want het verhoor van de jongens zou op de video opgenomen worden. Nooit eerder is in Aruba een verhoor op de video opgenomen. Waarom dat nu moest gebeuren, kon mij niet duidelijk gemaakt worden. Ik was er tegen, omdat de politie nooit eerder video-verhoren had opgenomen en geen ervaring hadden met deze wijze van verhoren.

Maar zoals u nu ook doet, werd ik toen aangewezen als de schuldige van die rampzalige eerste tien dagen, terwijl ik daar helemaal niets mee te maken heb. De eerste acht dagen was ik niet eens in Aruba. De hovj Janssen verving mij als wnd P-G en zij nam de beslissingen. Ik heb nooit gedurende het gehele onderzoek contact gehad met commissaris van der Straten, noch persoonlijk, noch telefonisch..

Ik ben nooit door hovj Janssen op de hoogte gesteld van de voorgenomen aanhouding van de twee bewakers. Ik heb dit in Nederland op de televisie gezien. Mij is ook nooit duidelijk gemaakt waarom deze twee bewakers aangehouden moesten worden, want er was geen enkele aanwijzing, dat zij betrokken waren bij de verdwijning van Natalee. Ze zijn ook nooit getapt om "iets te hebben om het verhoor in te gaan".

Ik zou het zeer op prijs stellen indien u een rectificatie op uw website zou plaatsen en indien u zich in de toekomst zou onthouden van het verkondigen van onwaarheden.

mr. drs. T.D. Croes

Translation

SENT IN:  Respected gentleman of Nie

I read again on your website that among many I as Arubaanse PEN-G in the crucial first ten days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway the affair contaminated have.

I have you already before on pointed that this in fight am with the truth and I have you also requested on to hold with lies to proclaim.

I will you yet a time say how the affair really in each other sticks.  Natalee is disappeared in the night of 29 on 30 May 2005.  I was till and summon after the disappearance, in the Netherlands with 6 June, the first consideration.  I have well during that summon telephone contact had with hovj Janssen and I have her superior grind said that they that three boys, that as last with her were, had to let arrest. Her answer was that that boys first getapt had to become, for otherwise had the police "nothing the interrogation in to go".  When I in Aruba returned have I her again said that they that boys had to arrest.  Her answer was then that they waiting were on videomateriaal from the Netherlands, for the interrogation of the boys will on the video taken up become.  Never before in Aruba, an interrogation has been taken up on the video.  Why that now had to happen, could me not clear made become.  I was there against, because the police taken up interrogate had never before video-and no experiences had with this manner of interrogations.

Only as you do now also, I was indicated then as the guilty by that disastrous first ten days, while I have to make that totally nothing with.  The first consideration do not summon was I once in Aruba.  The hovj Janssen replaced PEN me as a wnd-G and they took the decisions.  I had never during the entire investigation contact with commissioner van of the Streets, neither personal, neither by phone..

I have never been stolen by hovj Janssen on the height of the intended apprehension by the two guards.  I saw this in the Netherlands on the television. Me am also never clear made, about which these two guards arrested had to become, for there was no single indication, that they concerned were by the disappearance of Natalee.  They are never also getapt "something to have the interrogation in to go".

I will the very on price put when you a rectification on your website would place and when you self in the future would remember of the proclaiming of lies.

Mr. Ma.  T. D.  Croes

http://renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch.html

On this one I am with you Blue Moon ::MonkeyEek::

Normaly I stand with the TRUTH   ::MonkeyHaHa::

KTF, I don`t believe in Caps. I never did!

I`m sure you(and any insider in Natalee`s case) are aware of that fact!

Thats OMHO . .

Lifesong, very powerful words there and it sums it all up perfectly.  The Aruban people could get out and protest and insist this case be solved to stop hurting their island yet they will not.  But they were very motivated to get out and protect against Beth going so far as telling her to GO HOME.  Poor choices on their part doesn't give them any excuses now.  They have reaped what they have sown.  Their inaction's in all of this if their fault and they have to take the blame for it. Not Natalee, Not Beth.  They elected these people, they have to live with their choices.

.... and mine.

 ::cartwheel::

LIFESONG FOR PRESIDENT!!!

Janet



 

AMEN.... ::MonkeyCool::

Bastibro, normaly you stand with the truth-is there something in that statement I am missing?  You you calling me a liar?

I do fault the Aruban people.  Aruba is a democracy and ... freedom to assemble is a right afforded them under Dutch law.  They have the powers to bring pressure on their elected representive.

The Aruban people excercise this democratic right in the form of public protests when it comes to stikes for higher wages ... environmental concerns ... choller (prostitute) issues and ... a distraught mother who dare to call two of lying suspects in the Natalee Holloway case ... CRIMINALS.

However ... not once did the Aruban people empathize with Dave and Beth in the public arena by demanding that a just investigation was forthcoming into the disappearance of an 18 year old American citizen.

This lack of support by both Arubans and their representatives is the foundation that the voluntary boycott against Aruba was built on.

Arubans ... the American tourist dollars are there but ... they have to be earned.  You possess that power.

Janet

+++++


THE BOYCOTT

BETH HOLLOWAY

'48 Hours Mystery'

Last fall, Twitty called for a boycott of Aruba. The island’s tourism industry has suffered: Travel bookings are off more than 4 percent from a year ago.

Does she still support a boycott of Aruba?

"The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott," says Twitty.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page2.shtml

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DAVE HOLLOWAY

'On the Record w/ Greta'

DAVE HOLLOWAY:  I made sure that the prime minister understood our position. You know, I had been holding off on this boycott as long as I could, and I told him, I said, you know, The big wave is coming, and if you guys are not going to listen, I can't help you anymore.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175925,00.html

.
GOVERNOR RILEY AND SENATOR FRENCH

'The Birmingham News'

Alabama Senate votes to support boycott of Aruba
1/19/2006, 3:43 p.m. CT
The Associated Press

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Gov. Bob Riley's call for a tourism boycott of Aruba has picked up support from the Alabama Senate, which says the investigation into the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has suffered from too many missteps.

On Thursday, the Senate voted 27-0 for a resolution supporting a boycott of the Dutch Caribbean island. Sen. Steve French, R-Birmingham, said he proposed the resolution at the request of the family of Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway.

Holloway disappeared May 30 while on a graduation trip with classmates. She was last seen leaving a bar with a young Dutch national and two Surinamese brothers.

The Senate-passed resolution said a boycott is needed because the investigation into Holloway's disappearance "has been plagued with an unacceptable amount of missteps, miscommunications and inconsistencies."

"It's my hope this will cause the Aruban people to be more demanding that their officials conduct a thorough investigation," French said.  

During a special session in July, the Alabama House passed a resolution calling for a boycott of Aruba.

http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-18/1137707351114580.xml&storylist=alabamanews

 

Amen of course!!   

But what`s the question here?!

They are stupid and didn`t do the right thing right?!

Does that make them delinquent too?

Thanks for bringing this over, Buckeye, I haven't seen it in quite a while.  I've been scrolling up and down the page at the link, but I can't find a date for the letter...any ideas?  Even just month/year would be great...I saw October, 2007, but is that right?  I thought it was earlier.

NO, I know you`re not a liar!

I think non is a liar here . .

I`m just asking you to reconsider the remarks I`ve made?!

Good Night,

God Bless you

To me the question is "Why shouldn't the people of Aruba be held accountable for what has happened on their island?  They had no problem holding Beth and Natalee responsible for what happened yet they could not find it in their heart to rise up and protest Paulus, Joran, Kalpoes or their ALE.

Bastibro, thanks, I probably took your remark incorrectly.  We can debate what you have said but I cannot and will not believe Karen Janssen is not as corrupt as the rest of them that was involved in this case.  SHE of all people should had been a advocate for Natalee and she failed that big time.  Why, because too much pressure from Paulus VDS and who knows who else.

Bastibro,

This is exactly the attitude I'm talking about.  Oh, the poor Aruban people, they're just stupid.

I believe that to be a racist and discriminatory statement. 

And I believe it to be patently untrue.


JMO and only MO

Yes.The Island of Aruba is allowing Paulus VDS and his Cronies to destroy the island.For what???They need to stand up for themselves...

As a wise musician once said...........

GET UP,STAND UP..STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS
               GET UP,STAND UP:DON'T GIVE UP THE FIGHT!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Janet!    ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Yeah right. What was the problem with him again?
LOL He stood up alright, cause he was always airy(high) ::MonkeyHaHa::
In his final chapter he couldn`t even "stand up" ::MonkeyLaugh::

Buckeye, Klaas.....
Still catching up on today's readings, but want to say now....
My first impression when I saw this:
Good for Dr.Phil not settling and now both parties will have their day in court....
I'm betting one of two outcomes......
Kalpoes find a way to settle out of court (now that their bluff has been called) by agreeing to pay Dr. Phil's fees or,
Kalpoes refusing to provide artifacts/docs required for the court proceeding so they don't testify and expose themselves during the initial trial proceedings-and the judge throws out the complaint and awards fees to Dr. Phil.
I'd love to see a third outcome though:
This goes to trail in front of a jury....I'm putting my money on Dr. Phil's team to draw out all the little secrets kalpoes/aruba powers that be are hiding......which will get Natalee, Beth, Dave and their families that much closer too:
Justice for Natalee!
I'm standing with Dr. Phil's Team!   ::MonkeyCool::

Edit typo

self edit.... ::MonkeyCool::

I WOULD PAY TO SEE YOU SAY THAT IN JAMAICA BASTIBRO..... ::MonkeyCool::

Reminder



Reckon there's any nervous folks up in the rafters?

 ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Arubans are not stupid.

Arubans failed to do the right by not putting pressure on their elective representatives to afford an 18 year old American citizen a just investigation by holding those responsible accountable and ... there are consequences for failing to right.

There appears to be a feeling of entitlement as far as the American tourist dollar was concerned.

++++++++

JOSSY MANSUR

Diario Editorial - April 16, 2007

A TRAITOR AND HIS ANTI-ARUBAN GOVERNMENT

What did Nel’s government do in the case of Natalee? Hide their heads in a hole like ostriches so as not to see the truth of what was happening ...

... put the interest for American tourism money above the value of a human life; try to throw the blame on the family of the girl that disappeared, instead of going all-out against the three suspects who are responsible for the bad name Aruba got in other countries …”

We can no longer say that! Now our island has become, in the hands of Nel Oduber and his anti-Aruban and anti-American government, an island of the abuse of power, of nepotism, of favors to the small group of privileged MEP fanatics, and political persecution against the rest of the population that do not subject themselves to his amens!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/16/diario-editorial-a-traitor-and-his-anti-aruban-government-anti-american-too/

I reckon thos P.O.S will have thier day...Go Froggie,Go Froggie,Go Froggie... ::MonkeyDance::

I say - BRING IT!!!

::MonkeyDance:: I believe Kermit mentioned a little meeting session with LAW ENFORCEMENT as well!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Great posts Lifesong!!
ATA/AHATA thinking they can just up world opinion to give sympathy to arubans because they are victims of Natalee/Beth/US media just shows you how truly evil the aruba leadership is and how unattached and uncaring the people of aruba are toward the injustices perpetrated against tourists.
The reason we are still here after nearly four years is not the fact that Natalee went missing on one happy island....The reason is because of the injustice by the aruba authorities (Dutch and aruban) and the  indifference of the people.
MOO

I've always WANTED to have faith that the Aruban people would wake up and smell the coffee --- it's been 4 years, it ain't happening. Even when Joran ADMITTED his role, after he PROVED he is a cad and a liar .... the Aruban people still go on hating Beth and supporting Joran and his enablers!

Rob..Care to join myself,Wreck and Billb takling Joran on a trip down the Cahulawassee River????  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

And because Aruba refused to be there and do the right thing, we will be there and push for justice for Natalee as long as it takes.

Aruba will forever be known as the place Natalee Holloway disappeared and the locals refused to do one thing about it.
That's because that's what it is and that's what they did.

Karin Janssen was totally a part of it by arresting the security guards while those last seen with Natalee were given ten days to get their act together and destory evidence.

If that isn't corrupt I don't know what is.

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Thanks, billb. The Arubans don't have any idea what a favor Beth did them when she took the high road with her Safe Travels Foundation.

I wonder what they'd have thought of an active and funded Boycott Aruba Foundation? 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55845.php

Aruba checks disembarking passengers: Precautionary measures regarding swine influenza
27 Apr, 2009, 11:53 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — Although no signs of swine influenza have been registered on Aruba or in the direct region, the government is taking precautionary measures. Passengers disembarking on the island by airplane or (cruise) ship, must full out a separate form regarding their health. Furthermore, the government ordered antiviral medication and protection materials such as masks from the Netherlands and the US.

Hotels are required to report any visiting tourists showing signs of influenza. In cooperation with the Traffic Bureau ATA and Tourism Organization Ahata, the government is looking for a location to accommodate those infected by the influenza. Serious infected persons will however not be admitted to hospitals to prevent further contamination, but brought to locations directly in their surroundings. The Head of Public Health, managing the prevention plan, says it is possible to place persons, also tourists, in quarantine. “We are sounding the alarm, but taking precautionary measures now, so that we will not be at the end of the line should we require medication and protection materials within two weeks. We are merely a small island, depending on others abroad for the required essentials and therefore have ordered these as if we already needed them”, says director Trevor Van Gellecum. Moreover, one of the medications ordered, the American medicine ‘Tami flu’ has an export quantity limitation of not more than 20.000. The other medication was ordered in the Netherlands, but the Public Health Department has no information yet regarding the available quantity.

There are four medications on the market used against viral influenza, such as the swine influenza. Two of these have actually already become resistant. Furthermore, there is no medication against swine influenza. Medications are not available on Aruba as they are not often prescribed and too expensive. There are 300 protection suits now available for medical personnel. According to Van Gellecum, it is however now best that the population prevents infection by frequently washing their hands and wearing masks in case anyone in their neighborhood shows any signs of influenza.

The Head of the Public Health Department will keep the medical care on Aruba informed on the latest developments. Hospitals, doctors, and other care institutions are compelled to report a suspected case. Blood samples will be forwarded to the lab of the Caribbean Epidemiology Center (Carcec). It will take up to three to seven days before results are known. During an emergency press conference yesterday, Van Gellecum said that no blood samples had been taken as of yet.

 

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
8:20 PM PT

Goodnight Janet.

Amen to that!
Beth chose not to give Aruba more excuses to blame the victim.
The difference between right and wrong has never been clearer.

Goodnight, Janet!  God Bless.

Good and Evil also come to mind..... ::MonkeyCool::

thats the gift that keeps on givin' KFT!! count me in...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

and what's I read that the Dr Pill v Kalpoe has a trial date? wth? Kalpoes have complied and turned over docs? I say NO they didn't and this is all a sham.

What court lets a case go on this long with non-compliance. This court bent over backwards for a third world non-Aruban citizen(s). Always bending over for the dregs of the world while our own citizens languish.

When will an American get her justice?

When will the courts bend over and give her what is RIGHTFULLY her's?

If a MOD will move my Reply #103 to the Musings Thread, I promise never to ask them to edit my posts again!


 ::MonkeyTongue::

It should read -

The rest of the world checks Arubans for Dengue Fever and a precautionary measure.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

If we take them all down the river i'm sure JUSTICE will bend them over..Just sayin... ::MonkeyLaugh::

KTF...are you saying they will get it "in the end, around the bend?   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

We could still do that Lifesong.

I'm gonna keep it real BillB.That there post,is some good Sh_t BillB! ::MonkeyCool::

O/T I fell asleep earlier listening the yest a third report on Swine Flu and now I will never get back to sleep.  But I have heard the symptoms so many times I think I am getting them.  Also am wondering what exactly one would do should one decide to panic about this?  Run in the streets coughing?

But Aruba will just deny it exists the same way they do Dengue Fever!

You musta been down that der river a few times Billy.... ::MonkeyDance::

Could Ned Beatty have started the "Swine Flu" epidemic?????  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: :pig:

Hell.I think we can all agree Kermit gets Shotgun in the Canoe... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

Joran squealing like a pig could be the international "warning cry" to beware of Swine Flu!!!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/NedBeatty3.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JoranGuilty1.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Psychos2.jpg)

Not me KTF.....Butt Uncle Bubba....now he and his cow have some darn funny river stories!  ::MonkeyLaugh::
Larry the cable guy is always over at UB's picking up new material!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Here are two of the three "innocent raping murdering" suspects.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/threedipshits2.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/v/1tqxzWdKKu8&hl=en&fs=1

Absolutely, MonkeyMia.  My thoughts exactly.

oldee but still one of my favs

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/anitaartgallery5.jpg)

and who could forget this one  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/anitaandchuck6.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nite all...Sleep tight...for tomorrow may be the start of:
Justice for Natalee!!

I hadn't seen that clip in awhile!! Was that a long lost Van Der Sloot relative "clogging" in the background???  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck,

Well, he is CLOGGING so could be!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Welcome all Monkeys, to...


Today's Random Blast from the Past:



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2561.msg336568#msg336568

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::



DON'T THINK US MONKEY'S WON'T GET IN OUR BANANA BUS AND HUNT YOU DOWN TM

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

WE BEEN KNOWN TO BE CRAZY LIKE THAT..TRUST ME..YOU SEEN KTF LOSE IT. ::MonkeyLaugh::

HOPE ALL IS WELL CAGEMAN..GOODNIGHT FROM THIS SIDE OF THE POND AND HAVE A GREAT DAY........... ::MonkeyCool::

                       JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                             GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

                                      KEEPTHEFAITH

I have a jury summons for jury duty May 16th LA Co Criminal Courts downtown. How ironic! The Kelpoe trial and Donna Jou's indited person's trial, John Burgess all at the same time or so.

Oh, what I would do on the jury! The 2 K's wouldn't win and Burgess would ever see the light of day for the rest of his life! The defense would turn me down for what I'd do because of what we have learned here.

Have a medical excuse but will be there in spirit always for Natalee and Donna.

Any Monkey covering these?

oh, jeez, don't remind me

along w/: Freddy doesn't really exist
but if he does exist, his name isn't Freddy  :roll:
_ _ _

THIS was posted on the last page

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Rocky.jpg)

so now I'm prob'ly not gonna sleep tonight ...
but if I do sleep, I'm hoping for a goooood dream

I used to like me some Sly :wink:

Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::

KTF!!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
I wasn't far away...tried to peek in a few times tonight, but I had my hands full.  My phone rang right after I got home from work....it was a young lady from my youngest son's graduating class.  A young man that played baseball with my youngest many years ago didn't wake up yesterday morning...they won't know why for about two weeks.  She asked me to make a tribute video for his visitation tomorrow night.  Just finished with the video and making several copies for the family to have.  I stopped by on my way to bed to make sure that Natalee's picture was here for the night.  2NJ had taken care of it....made me smile. 

 ::MonkeyCool::

Anna,

One of my past posts... go get at the drugstore buy oscillococcinum  Homeopathic for the flu. About 7.99 but sometimes you can find a pack of 12 capsules for less. But when it comes to the flu, this oscillococcinum for the flu is #!

Comes with 3 capsules. As soon as you feel the first sign of the flu or cold, open the capsule plastic container and put the little capsulette balls under you tongue and let them dissolve. This is done for it is the fastest way to your blood stream, I am told.

It's sweet and kind of fun to do. Also sweet thoughts vs feelings from the icky flu symptoms.

Best to keep more that 3 on board this time for no one knows how much is needed.

Usually one does gets rid of a regular flu if you hit it at the first feeling you are getting something.

It worked in 1918 and is a remedy from France. My mom had two fears... the flu pandemic coming back (she was 11 in the 1918 one) and snakes. She told me millions died and some were her friends... I  have heard anywhere from 20-50 million were killed then. Huge amount of people when you compare that number with the smaller population we had on earth at the time and the cences didn't count everybody.

I have used it since 1976.

Tried it from the last week of Jan to the first week in April as I started to have a cold, then flu then broncitius (sp). There was a lot in my symptoms going on but it did help lessen the bout though.

Was reading that if we were around in 1957 we should have a little immunity left form that flu. (a perk for being of "older age to life then and now'

From: "Julian Whitaker, MD"   julianwhitakermail.com <jwbroadcast1@julianwhitakermail.com>  (IMO a great health newsletter online to you) he states:
This high level of panic is reminiscent of the 1976 swine flu debacle. As you may remember, several army recruits at Ft. Dix, NJ, got swine flu and one died (after a strenuous, five-mile, overnight hike). Yet, the government rushed into a nationwide vaccination program. All told, 45 million Americans were  vaccinated at a cost of $135 million. Shortly thereafter, Guillain-Barré syndrome, a paralyzing neurological disorder, cropped up in hundreds of the vaccinated people. Meanwhile, the swine flu epidemic never materialized.

I didn't know this until tonight. So G-B came shortly thereafter.

I have had flu vaccines almost every year since then. Isn't Chronic Fatigue related to G-B? Got CF in March 1988, PTSD in '93 and Fibromyalgia in fall 1976 which is supposed to be connected to CF, I think.


MASKS:
White masks that look like a cup should be the N95 ones, as recommended by CERT teams (Community Emergency Response Teams), ERT's, first :,  also good around the house, in the barn, dust from storms, dust from earthquakes

The surgical masks get the best you can. I found a supplier in Houston EX. Some items are sold out. I like the duck bill masks the Dr. surgeons use. Looks like a duck bill but you can talk and looks as if it might not be as hot as cup mask.

Well stay well. Get help fast if needed and come in here with our Monkey Family so you can fell exta wanted.

Love,

IBE

PS I bought all the ones at my near Rit-aid and CVS, so some may have done the same near you so call the drug store... the clerk might want to know it is usually in the flu items aisle white box with shades of yellow on it. Walgress has them.

a Russian lady  javascript:void(0);  told me a way to get rid of a sore throat... take a sip of hot tea, then a sip of a liquor called roll and rye (think that was the name0 or used the one in the square type bottle that tells of a story of the staving art... I supposed a brandy to would also. then a sip of tea, then one of liquor. I used this on a wisdom tooth once. Oh the tooth and I felt great. ::MonkeyConfused::

Well, if it doesn't work for the sore throat it has work getting you to feel better (the liquor!) ::cartwheel::

NOTE:  EVEN THOUGH THIS IS OFF TOPIC FOR THE NH THREAD, I'LL LEAVE IT SINCE THE SWINE FLU IS IN THE NEWS AND PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED.

Thanks for the info IBE!

Good Morning Monkeys!  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for the Info IBE!

Good Morning Monkeys!  ::MonkeyCool::

Is anyone else having trouble posting this morning?  ::MonkeyEek:: I have tried several times and I'm hoping this one will work.... ::MonkeyShocked::

WOW! Now I see that the first post to IBE posted after all... ::MonkeyEek:: Hopefully the problem is solved!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

GOOD MORNING, ALL!


MeMere is doing a terrific job on Swine Flu reporting here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4942.60

Will take comments there in future so as not to disrupt this thread.

Kyle has the list of all the dive targets, but he shows them to nobody, he also did not show the ROV tapes to anybody. Think about that.

He takes six pictures from the December 30 dive and sent them to the FBI.
But he never sends them the most incriminating pictures of the cage with all the bags in it.
He has the only copy of those tapes except for supposedly one that was on the RV Persistence that was removed when John emptied everything off the boat.
 
That's pretty much a guarantee that those pictures will never get out, and also explains why Kyle never sent the damaging one to the FBI.

A plan was in place and that is why Capslockwizard was brought in to draw everybody away to the pond and that plan is put into action as Capslockwizard signs up at SM on the date of the first ROV dive.................. nobody will ever think about the cage because nobody will even know about it.

Capslockwizard begins posting and emails Dave Holloway to come to Aruba to get his daughter's body.

All of a sudden dateline pulled out a picture of the cage/trap and  they didn't think dateline would be able to use that footage, but the FBI told them it wasn't case-sensitive because they probably had not even received the material yet, they put the picture on their special of the cage/trap.
 
Then Robin gets the pictures from the FBI and puts them on her BNH site and then they get carried out onto the Internet -  those pictures just destroyed everything because people could see what was in that cage, which all of a sudden got exposed on the Internet.

The group that is working behind the scenes continue on with the plan where Capslockwizard is directing everybody toward the pond. Keep in mind everyone thought/thinks Capslockwizard is working with the witness and putting his life in danger by giving SM all this secret Shango/Simian-like information.
 
If those pictures of the cage had not come out from dateline or had not come out  then their plan of  Capslockwizard directing everybody to the pond would have worked because nobody would have even known about the cage or anything being in it. No one would know about the cage/trap evidence being retrived by only Aruba divers.



On September 17, 2007 Mark Purcell emailed Capslockwizard to come to Freebirds blog.

HOW CAN YOU TELL?

ANSWER - the referring URL in the 2nd persons information shows they came straight from their email to our blog. In addition, the IPs match those two individuals and the computer settings match.


On October 16, 2007 Capslockwizard came to our blog via an email sent to him
This was someone in Aruba who was sent the link to our blog via email.
They came straight to our blog from their email.

THE IP THAT SENT THE EMAIL TO CAPS TO COME TO OUR BLOG IS KAWISH MISIER.

July 27, 2008  Kawish Misier came to this thread dated Nov 13, 2007
San posted photos of Joran
Tamikosmom posted about Karam Misier - A man contacted Dave & asked him to meet at the VIP Club (Owned by the Misier's)

He did a search for June 20, 2008 24ora.com
That is the date of the dead body found floating in the ocean

* THEN HE WENT TO THE FRONT PAGE OF SM
#  Steve Holloway on July 14th, 2008 9:07 am
I want every body to know that Dave still wants the water search to continue. Their are over 170 targets that have to be looked at.

July 14, 2008
Dr. Phil Attorneys Use Scared Monkeys Natalee Holloway Posts as Exhibit in Court Docs Against Deepak & Satish Kalpoes
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/07/12/dr-phil-attorneys-use-scared-monkeys-natalee-holloway-posts-as-exhibit-in-court-docs-against-deepak-satish-kalpoes/


November 28, 2007 - CAPS CAME BACK TO OUR BLOG from Search Words:  transcript wiretapping joran van der sloot


Dave Holloway told Caps in an email: "I have a contact in Aruba"
It is believed that that contact in Aruba is Mark Purcell since he is a member of BNH site.



Kawish Miser



LW
http://www.arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=geerman&page=7



Reply #421 on: July 08, 2006, 06:13:03 PM   klaas
Deepak has 2 friends listed, Koen and Kawish.  Kawish has a photo of himself with someone named Santos:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=57.msg10643#msg10643




GG
Siribana 6
297- 585-3063
http://www.arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=geerman&page=7



MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html
 
 
#52 on: Today at 10:44:30 AM
Could Jossy be saying Geerman or Gearman as that is a very common name in Aruba.  Mr. Geerman
 


LW    
Shiribana 6
297-588-9902
http://www.arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=Webb&page=2



Caplockwizard
Address: Shiribana 6,
Aruba
Phone: 297-xxx-xxxx



Several different ips were used when Capslockwizard logged in.
* The English changed - remember.
* A Member from BNH is behind the Caplockwizard conspiracy.


Observation by someone: "My guess is this is caps working on his next story to misdirect them next..
he has been there and signed in at least a few times since you put the stuff on,, I have caught him there just reading a couple of times and yet he's never made a post... and his followers don't wonder about it at all"




What is wrong with this picture?
 #931 on: December 03, 2008, 12:19:56 AM  Capslockwizard posted:
Another thing , I went to dive a week a go to the same location, and the Cage is still there. If the cage was evidance in a murder case, why is it still in the water.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564838#msg564838



Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:05:29 PM posted by Capslockwizard
Subject: FW: The meeting will be schedule at 2:00 pm - my house

 

March 08, 2008, 11:10:26 PM posted by Capslockwizard
I think we all have worked very hard this week and I have not had a chance to enjoy a good laugh since I started with the Monkeys on my research.
I hope tomorrow we will have the final links into a final resolution about the pond. This comming week is THE DAY.
Me and J & W and the C's are all in a agreement now that it must be there



On April 20, 2009 Capslockwizard search words: "tired of natalee holloway"


Capslockwizard
GG
LW
Kawish
Clyde Burke
Mark Purcell

KERMIT

"A Member from BNH is behind the Caplockwizard conspiracy." ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

With the way this is going Kermit we may have to get a couple of canoes for the trip down the Cahulawassee River...Remake of Deliverance...Kermit reprising the starring role played by Burt Reynolds!BillB,Wreck,Rob,and myself will have to fight over the other roles ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Kermit,

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Keep it coming.......it's all coming together Kermit!

The links from referring e-mails........PRICELESS!

Based on this info, and I feel that the story is solidifying, do you believe CLW was in cahoots with Persistence before the launch of the mission?  Based on the timing of events, it's not as likely that a plan to continue the cover-up was put into place on the fly after the cage was discovered. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes, He not only emailed Capslockwizard, but he made a mistake - so I was able to track it back to BNH.

I do not have anything to indicate that they were in together with the RV Persistence before the search.
But certainly the whole John Silvetti getting involved with them during the search is suspect I guess.

Not surprised... I knew that relationship with Purcell would bite him in the ass.

Purcell = ASSCLOWN

TICK_TOCK_TICK_TOCK.....Is this an American??If so...Cuhalawasse is calling... ::MonkeyCool::

HOTSHOT HAS A FRIEND THAT WORKS AT THE MARRIOTT!

HOTSHOT IS A VOCAL SUPPORTER OF WLC

HOTSHOT EMAILED DAVE

HOTSHOT GOT CAPS TO SILVETTI

HOTSHOT IS AN INSTRUMENTAL DIABOLICAL CONVEYING DIRTBAG

Is there anyone involved in this case she is not in contact with? It's logical to think her friend is Purcell, and she knew this was a scam from day one. Whatta POS
 

 ::MonkeyShocked::


 ::cartwheel::

I just want to thank those who made it possible to figure this out and put all the pieces together.
THEY did a tremendous job and they know who they are.

That's the most eloquent thing i've heard you say lately Rob.. ::MonkeyHaHa:: >I'll follow that up with a BIG DITTO...

 ::cartwheel::

As they would say in the inner-city..Don't get caught Slippennnn!If it is Mark Purcell and HotShot is friends with this individual...TICK_TOCK_TICK_TOCK...Can you confirm it was MP Kermit..If not..NO WORRIES!

GUESS WHAT......I STAND WITH NATALEE HOLLOWAY,BETH,DAVE,AND THAT DAMN FROG....

Kerm in your opinion - how is Clyde Burke fitting in here? Some posters think he is Simian and there is quite a bit of info to support that. I know how he fits in with the Persistence - I'm strictly speaking of the pond hoax.

What are your thoughts. TIA

 ::cartwheel::

Yes. She inserted herself with the Aruban's  rather then give the information to the FBI.

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

Wasn't it Ned Baetty that had to squel like a pig.

Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #814 4/5/09
« Reply #275 on: April 06, 2009, 07:21:52 PM »

A HOTSHOT/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION?

Hotshot
Lively Case Discussion #486 7/3 - 7/4/2006
« Reply #835 on: July 05, 2006, 03:41:17 AM »

Tylergal:  Hotshot, how did we find out about the blond and the late-night partying our Sporter is doing now?  Of course, I understand if you cannot divulge that, but we sure do want to know all we can about this evil critter.

Hotshot:  A friend of mine lives there and works at the marriott.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=40.msg8019#msg8019


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4804.msg755276#msg755276

I am not sure how much more I should say right now.

Bee'z do have impeccable timing... ::MonkeyTongue::

I can wait  ::MonkeyWink::

but will ask another question - iffin ya don't mind.

Did Mark Purcell call Dave and played a role as the final lynch pin to get Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba down to 'r00ba?

Bastibro...Cat got your tongue? ::MonkeyCool::

It seems so obvious now that the search for Natalee was secondary to Persistence's mission, and that CAPS intro to Silvetti was an opportunity to be seized in favor of the primary interest......Money.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

Tick tock ......I am patient.

 ::MonkeyCool::

I'm not patient,
But, I'll force myself to be if necessary   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Dem Der people dat helped da Frog must be daggone good people ya hear!I reckon they be relatives of BillB..Could even be Uncle Bubba for all we know..There's no Business like show business....My thanx to Kermit..Not easy being green..But you do it very well! ::MonkeyCool::

Well, I have to wonder what the heck would possess Mark Purcell (a double agent) to stab Dave in the back.

What would motivate him to steer everyone away from the pond?

You don't suppose Mark Purcell is Daury? or his typhus infected kid?

Mark has a boat. I know because I emailed Dave the lats and longs for Andicora and Dave gave that info to Mark to check out and Mark couldn't find the gosh darn place.

I've have not thought those two ridiculously incompetent Gottenbos kids could have pulled this off since like the one year mark.

HOTSHOT/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION?

Hotshot
Lively Case Discussion #486 7/3 - 7/4/2006
« Reply #835 on: July 05, 2006, 03:41:17 AM »

Tylergal:  Hotshot, how did we find out about the blond and the late-night partying our Sporter is doing now?  Of course, I understand if you cannot divulge that, but we sure do want to know all we can about this evil critter.

Hotshot:  A friend of mine lives there and works at the marriott.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=40.msg8019#msg8019


HOTSHOT/CAPS/SILVETTI CONNECTION?

Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #258 on: November 22, 2008, 02:53:44 AM »

CAPS knows Silvetti from me  Silvetti did do the pond and then they wouldnt let him back in after all the maps were made of the pond.  About Jossy, i know nothing about that.  I was the one who told CAPS to go to the ship and wait for John.  And I do know who CAPS is.  This boat that may have taken the trap away, if anything was the Gottenbos boat.  I too feel that they have what they needed to bring home, and thats why we hear nothing.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.240

Kermit, didn't it come from BNH site that AHATA was going to help pay for Persistance?  I think I remember that coming from Purcell from that site, could be wrong.

So, has Purcell duped everyone at that BNH site or are some of them aware of his antics?

$$$$$

This is what I was thinking Blue Moon.  I couldn't remember if that was before the mission launch, or after when they were soliciting funds.

Did he dupe Robin?

Rob

Mark Purcell was NEVER Dave and Robin Holloway's friend and ... Dave and Robin were aware from the getgo of their relationship with him.  Natalee's stepmother and father were informed of Purcell dispicable internet posts discrediting Natalee, Dave, Beth, Jug and the MB Students.

Private Eye said it be.  The principle in regards to working with the enemy to acquire a positive outcome in a mission for answers ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

It does not work.  It only puts the enemy at the advantage.

Janet

+++++++

PRIVATE EYE - NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »

I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye (Beth Holloway's Brother)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

i don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM » 

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880


 

mmhmm  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I guess what I am asking is who knew about him (if anyone) and when did they know it?
Who was complicit and why?
How deep does this go?

You got some hip-waders Art???The Sh_t is getting deep.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yep, it certainly is. I have a lot of questions spinning around right now about the "players" in this fiasco.
I have been following the posts about Silvetti, Kyle , etc, but I am now In a KISS mode .
Didn't Robin and others feel this Purcell guy was oh, so helpful?
Not like they were not warned.
Why continue on with him? Did he have the ability to dupe all these people?
We saw through him from the get-go.
Why didn't the others involved with him?

yes ma'am.. I do realize that - thank you  ::MonkeyWink::

And never forget who her BFF is that kept sending her here to attack me when I had hardly even spoken to this person.

Also their big concern about who might be writing a book and her trying to team up with the Stephanie Goode/Larry Garrison dynamic duo.

ROBIN HOLLOWAY

Robin Holloway
BFN

I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also.  I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
 
August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM »


Robin Holloway
BFN

MIP6 is someone who is trying to help us find Natalee! And we are grateful to him for all that he has done for us! I am sorry for all the bashing he and his farmily have had to endure and I am so glad he is still helping us after all they have been through.
 
« Reply #17 on: Today at 01:06:00 PM »


Robin Holloway
BFN

MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
 
November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM »

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MARK PURCELL

MIP6
New Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 16

I figure with my next post I should get the boot, haven’t decided which one to use yet the Beth lies or denouncing the Sainthood of Natalee. I have way too much fun watching them all freak out.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24191#post24191


Mark Purcell
Refugees Unlimited

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Are the pages from Dave’s work of fiction soft when you wipe with them?

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Girls disappearing in Aruba would be on every front page newspaper in the free world “IF” it had ever occurred prior to or after Natalee split to get away from her dysfunctional, cold & heartless, bar rag (thanks Wang) banshee of a mother.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:09 pm
We will be partying tonight at Kokoa Bar at the De Palm pier it will be there last night at that location so we are going to be giving them a big send off for there last night.  If Natalee shows up for the party I'll be sure to find the closest internet connection and let everyone know.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:08 pm
Doesn’t surprise me any that Debbie would do that. The title of this thread is “Debbie’s Integrity” should read “Debbie’s total lack of Morals & Integrity”. She is the head cheerleader for all things Twitty / Holloway. Someone mentioned to me that Debbie was just being “used” by the family to move the family agenda forward, I called Bullshit, Debbie knows exactly what she is doing. This is a blatant attempt to smear Julia because the Twitholes fear her knowledge of what they did here in Aruba. Just like all others who where close to the family in the beginning, they now have put in play a planned focused effort to discredit Julia. This family of the runaway Natalee are the lowest forms of life I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing in my life time. I can’t wait for the day when the house of cards that the Twitholes have built on there ongoing lies and deception comes falling down around there shoulders. I also can not wait until the day that Julia tells all, even though she is a class act, I think she will someday put it all out there.


Lots more quotes at:

Topic: MIP6 and REALITY - are they part of the disinformation team?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1896.0

I think AHATA/ATA is the organization with the funding to do these misdirections because they allocate five million here, ten million there for TOURISM.

Who knows how that is actually spent!

Thank You, Janet.

This is my point.

I cannot believe some of these people were that stupid to not see what he was doing when it was right in front of them.  Hard to say , but I am leaning toward "They Knew"  and were complicit to whatever degree and for whatever reason.

Its hard to swallow, but unless these people are all simpletons, I can't see any other explanation. And I do NOT think for a minute that they are simpletons.

IMO only

Art,

You are asking one of the big mysteries in all of this.  I don't think anyone knows or understands why they would prefer the company and to deal with those particular individuals.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

It sure is puzzling, isn't it?
Those of you that have been researching all this and posting about it here at ScaredMonkeys deserve a lot of credit.  ScaredMonkeys NEVER took their eye off the ball and NEVER got sucked in by the diversions.
Kudos to all of you.
I so admire all of you, job well done!

And to Kermit..what can I say about Kermit!
Wonderful job, Kermit! ::MonkeyDance::

Yes, I stand with the Frog.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

BUMP.................................... ::MonkeyRoll::

it was the catalyst that ended up creating the Freebirds so there was a benefit.

True, that.   ::MonkeyWink::

WLC posted much the same thing claiming that Beth lied.

And yet his minions even here did not skip a beat in following him.
I suppose it could be that same kind of mentality?

And when some of us protested, "Shut Up!" they explained.

Anna - all I can say is some of these people are very savy and did everything they could to appear "clean".   

So we have HotShot trying to be the glue to bring all this hoax together.  She must be very proud.

But I do wonder who attended some of these alleged meetings.  I mean who they actually were, not who they posed as.  Like the one with the Detective and his "brother" who claimed to have had a vision.

Human nature is such that some of these people didn't dedicate all their hours and time to these "diversions" for no compensation.

Again IMO only

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

I'm sure that's true Klaas......but this is a very tough crowd.

I know it was painful to listen and watch to much of what went on here.....and painful for many monkeys to see the "prodigal" monkeys pick up and move out to follow the wizard.

But there was much to gain.  It can be very helpful to let the bad guys talk, especially when they think they have everyone on the hook.   

Like when Joran talks, it's how we get to know them better.

 ::MonkeyCool::

I know they are Klaas.  Pros at being scammers.  But when he posted "Beth lied" and asked who ran with her lies, I just couldn't let that one slide. 

And as for the AHATA gang, I do think perhaps some people like to hear bad things especially about Beth.  Contrary to what they might claim.

Sometimes time is the only way to really know where a person stands on an issue.  No one can read the mind of another over the internet.  But with enough time, it does usually come out what their intent is.  And sometimes that's the only way to know.

And not only that but their entire economy is more or less at stake as well.  So I do think the millions and millions dedicated for tourism can be used in creative ways and not just to buy gaudy TV commercials.

Which brings us right back around to the question of WHY the big pond diversion in the first place?

It certainly does. I woudl like to know that as well.

bastibro

Either way ... Natalee Holloway never had an advocate within the Aruban investigation.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++++

On the Record w/ Greta - September 28, 2005
Jug Twitty Lashes Out at the Prosecutor

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S STEPFATHER:  ... But you know, I have a real problem with the prosecutor. Either she’s hiding something down there, or she doesn’t have any backbone.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html

I had the same thought.  Rob uses that phrase often.  Keep talking.  It's how we get to know you better.  Brings to mind one my Dad used 'give 'em enough rope and they'll hang themselves'.....funny but now that sounds like an Aruban front page story.   

Janssen arrested 2 innocent people on the word of supects she KNEW were lying..If that isn't CORRUPT i don't know what is..

Janet said:

bastibro

Either way ... Natalee Holloway never had an advocate within the Aruban investigation.

 
IMO opinion, one of the things we have learned about the Dutch/Aruban legal system, is that it is not the job of the OM to be the advocate of the victims of crime, as it is here in the US.  It is the job of the OM to be neutral and do what is in the best interest of  the greatest number of people. 

A job description ripe with "gray area" and perfect for corruption. 

IMO, most people would choose not to travel to ARUBA, if they knew how "the system" really works.


IMO, Karin Janssen was one of the architects of the cover up and has been under the microscope in Holland for other questionable dealings.

 

Oooooooh 2NJSONS_MOM!   ::MonkeyShocked::

I had the same thought.  Rob uses that phrase often.  Keep talking.  It's how we get to know you better.  Brings to mind one my Dad used 'give 'em enough rope and they'll hang themselves'.....funny but now that sounds like an Aruban front page story.

You're right, it does!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Helen Back

You are exactly right Helen Back, the OM does not represent the victim any more than the suspect in this system but supposedly the greater good as determined by that person.

The law alone is supposed to protect the victim but we see this failed in this instance completely.  If the OM is not willing to do the right thing, it all is for nothing.

Yes, she arrested the security guards knowing full well the J2K were lying like cheap rugs.  That's corrupt.  Also smacks of racism.

Excerpt from article:


Comparisons Drawn to Natalee Holloway

The case is reminiscent of the high-profile disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba four years ago this month.

Holloway has never been found, despite exhaustive investigations and searches on the Caribbean island. Three boys last seen with her have been arrested, questioned and released, but no one has been prosecuted in the case.

"There’s obviously similarities if people are thinking about that: a young woman goes on vacation and disappears," Knipes told FOXNews.com. "But we don’t have anything to show any foul play."

Still, police investigating Brittanee's disappearance and the teen's loved ones are hoping she will be found alive.

On Monday, Brittanee's mom, boyfriend and a handful of her friends posted dozens of flyers in Myrtle Beach bearing the missing teen's picture and description.

Her father, who lives near Tampa, Fla., is in Myrtle Beach with his wife and relatives and is helping in the search, Drexel said.

Brittanee's stepfather also has been helping out from Rochester, fielding some media calls during the teen's disappearance.

Teams from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children are also assisting in the search, according to Knipes.

Detectives in Rochester are interviewing Brittanee's friends and others from the area who traveled to Myrtle Beach last week.

Allanna Lippa, 19, said she was one of about 15 people in the group who stayed "in one big room" at the motel. Lippa returned to Rochester, where she is now worrying about her friend.

"There's a million things that could have possibly happened to her," said Lippa, 19. "She was fun, a little ball of energy. But she was also depressed."

Brittanee Drexel has blue eyes and shoulder-length brown hair with blond highlights. She's 5 feet tall, weighs about 103 pounds and was last seen wearing a multi-colored shirt, black shorts and flip-flops.

Those with any information are asked to call Myrtle Beach Police at (843) 918-1300, 1-800-CRIME-TV or 1-800-THE-LOST (843-5678).



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518596,00.html

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And every time another teen goes missing, all of this country is reminded yet again what happened to Natalee Holloway and how Justice was never served in her instance, she never even had a legitimate investigation!

So no one is going to forget and this is NOT going away.

70 degrees,not a cloud in the sky,it's friday and the exposing of the P.O.S. continues........Who could ask for anything more! ::MonkeyWink::

And I suspect the defectors who sided with caps et al are STILL blinded by these cretans.

It is sad Wreck.Many had contributed to the NH forum but..When facts are presented that one is misleading people and you continue to support the people,and or person misleading the Monkey's,you have chosen your own fate....

The worst of it is that it was all so unneccessary. 

These were smart people, already committed to the cause, who did exactly what they are now projecting onto us.  They got carried away with their pet theory.  They, some much, much more than others, already were or became concerned with credit and with control.

How does it feel to have been complicit in a [Mark Purcell --> AHATA --> ATA --> F.O.A. --> Van der Sloot] attempt to rip off Dave Holloway, inflict further emotional distress upon the parents and family of a missing girl, and draw attention away from actual evidence?

How does it feel?

And now what?

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

It's such a waste. 

Hello Monkeys All I can say is WOW!!  I wonder the same thing you are Rob... Is Mark Purcell really Daury?  If Mark was the one responsible for making up the pond hoax to get Persistence away from the trap then how is ALE put into the mix to whisk away all the evidence?  Is this where Clyde Burke falls into play??  This is good info and I'm trying to soak it in but I find myself confused at the same time???

MumInOhio and SS were not blinded.  They both hopped off the CAPS bandwagon for all the right reasons and ... then hopped right back on.  WHY??

What "inside info" were Mum and SS privy to that could not be shared with the rest of us?  Why were they so special.  Why were were the rest of us Monkeys suppose to just blindly trust CAPS without any foundation.

Janet

thanks for the reply antunym -

I have never been comfortable with that cretins role in any of this and have wondered exactly why he's been involved but I guess today's developments clarify what is really taking place.

I've been wondering whether Mark Purcell or his son disposed of Natalee for years and I'm sure others have too.

Lifesong & Hotping,

I spent time yesterday, and again today checking out things on Jen's list. I found an article today dated 1/29/2009 about Geolab.  There is a mention of it being part of the Diamar Group....which I couldn't find anything on....just thought I'd mention it. 

http://www.energydigital.com/GeoLab--Your-first-call_13348.aspx

Also found a few things yesterday, but not sure they are leading anywhere, yet.

Edit to add I think it may be Diamar Spa, shipowners, transport, etc., located in Naples.

http://www.pipedir.com/documents/Int_energy_pipeline_directory_2007.pdf

It seems to me that he would be trying to make up all of this pond hoax for a reason and to me that reason being to get the attention away from the ocean for his own purposes.  If he or his son did the disposal then this would be the perfect reason IMO. The Vandersloots and the person that did the disposal knew where Natalee was and all of a sudden you have a Marcos putting attention somewhere far away and Caps putting attention in another place.  In my opinion two different sets of people freaked when the cage was found so both diversions happened then happened. JMOO

I think that Mark Purcell, his wife Marlene, Julia Renfro and Charles Croes are all involved with selling
timeshares on Aruba.  They were all involved with the AHATA.  They wanted Beth to just go away
and forget that she had lost her daughter.  When she didn't, they started the hate campaingn against
Beth and Natalee.

Read SS' posts very carefully.

Think about it.  Almost immediately following Kyle Kingman's own words were posted by Kermit on the SM Natalee forum ... SS clued in and ... beautifully articulated her take.  This gal saw through the CAPS deception ... the CAPS distraction.  This gal comprehended the John Silvette deception as well as the Louis Schaffer connection.  SS conceded and ... even ate some humble pie.

Why did SS backtrack after seeing the light and ... once again hop on the CAPS' bandwagon?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

It does not make sense.

Janet

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SS - NOVEMBER, 2008

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
on: November 17, 2008, 08:32:15 PM 

Monkeys - Kyle said that he discovered the trap on the screen very early Christmas morning.  That's when Tim said  "it looks like a skull".  The contents of the trap were cleaned on January 7th.  Persistence continued to use side scan sonor to map the ocean floor well into February.  Now how could they justify all of those extra weeks of searching for a missing American woman if they had already found her in the beginning of January?  They also needed to get our focus off of Persistence and the ocean search.  Viola!  Caps enters the picture to tell us about Manserat Pond.  The picture of the cage was never supposed to be released and I'm sure that caused big trouble.  All of the evidence disappeared.  The fabric sent to Quantico wasn't Natalee's blouse.  There wasn't anything else in the cage - it was just a coconut or a piece of coral.  Back to the ocean search for Peristence so that they could continue with the grids and their non profit search.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546635#msg546635


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #156 on: December 04, 2008, 02:08:35 AM »

1.  Silvetti's businesses were in trouble.  He wanted to start new businesses with oil and an oil pipeline from Aruba to Chavez in Colombia.  He needed money.

2.  He illegally sold off his shares of stock and that is why the SEC is after him.

3.  Before he started his new oil business, he needed to have a geological scan of the ocean floor.  Doing those scans costs lots of money.

4.  He agreed to volunteer his ship, crew, and equipment to search for a missing American woman in the same area.  He scans the ocean floor looking for Natalee, but really he's doing oil work.

5.  Most of his expenses for the Persistence search were written off on his corporate tax returns because it was charity work and a donation that he was doing.  By looking for Natalee, he was able to map the ocean for free.

6.  Natalee was found in the end of December.  Oh no, what can he do?  He can't keep mapping the ocean floor for free because he just found the missing American woman.  So, the trap contents were turned over to ALE, nothing was ever in that trap. and he continued to search for Natalee and map for oil for another 6 to 8 weeks -at very little expense to himself.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565794;topicseen#msg565794


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #726 on: December 06, 2008, 04:23:52 PM »

I agree with you, Janet.  I thought a lot about it last night, after I finally had to turn my computer off and just think.  In his heart, I'm sure that Tim Miller believed what he had seen or he wouldn't have said, Bull$hit with the thumbs down.  However, he had no control over all of that pphotographic equipment and perhaps he was only being shown what they wanted him to see.  There was a very good reason why they had to get him off of Persistence before January 7th.  I don't think that Dave or Tim would have gone to Nicaragua if they didn't think it was a viable lead.  I wonder if ALE are the ones who set it all up as another one of their infamous diversion tactics

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569218#msg569218


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »

Blue Moon - great reference!  I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years.  I wonder if it would be too much of a stretch to hope that the release of the cage photographs somehow has forced Rudy's hand???  They can't deny any longer that something was in the cage.  There are photographs to prove the lie.  Whether or not they have destroyed the actual cage contents remains to be seen.  If the evidence has been destroyed, Richardson and Mos could also be in trouble along with Paulass and Uncle Jan.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »

Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »

Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #678 on: December 06, 2008, 01:52:46 PM »

I don't think anything would surprise me at this point.  This story is getting sicker by the day.  How could they just hand all of that evidence over to ALE and deny that they had found anything???  And, sit silently by when our FBI was sent a piece of nothing?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569137#msg569137
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Dialogue - SS and Tamikosmom:


Quote from: SS on November 24, 2008, 10:13:44 PM

I have some feelings about the photographs and I wonder if others feel the same way that I do.  If Louis, John, and Kyle had hidden those photographs from ALE so that they could be turned over to Beth, Dave, and US authorities, it would have been a dishonest action, but it would have been in the best interests of everyone.  ALE has been so despicable from day one, and under handed handling of evidence would have been a double standard, but I would have supported it and jumped up and down with cheers.  Unfortunately, that isn't what happened.  The evidence was hidden from Beth, Dave, and the American public and the photographs were never even given to the FBI by members of the Persistence group.  When I hear that there is even a remote possibility that Louis Schafer sold those photographs for big bucks and that Kyle attempted to sell the photographs to networks last February, I just want to scream.  These actions are beyond explanation or justification.


Quote from: Tamikosmom on November 24, 2008, 10:39:01 PM

I wish Kyle would respond to these allegations.
Thanks SS.
Janet


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #784 on: November 24, 2008, 10:46:48 PM »

Dinners over... I ate my crow and it didn't very good at all.  I am so sorry for going at you.  I was so convinced that everything and everyone involved with Perisistence were above reproach.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg556257;topicseen#msg556257

SS has always been a mystery to me, Janet.  She did get it.  Then she disappeared from here for several days
while she joined C&G.  She came back with a totally different agenda and got really angry with us about putting
CAPS life in danger.  It was a total about face.

Hi 2NJ 


Here is another link that goes with that Diamar Group..DP Hunter

http://www.marum.de/Binaries/Binary18073/MV_DPHunter.pdf

 ::MonkeyCool::

Kermit has given us PLENTY to think about here.  But I don't think anyone of us are really surprised. 

Thanks Kermit for what you are doing for Natalee and Beth and Dave. I know you have taken on alot being a target for these despicable sub-humans. Were they all so stupid to not believe that when Beth said she would be Natalee's voice for her lifetime that there would not be a following of like-minded people who would be standing beside her to help her?  How stupid they were.  These games will never change that.  This is a beautiful girl, someones daughter, could have been anyone's daughter, could have been our daughter.  She deserves far far better than she received from this monster island. 

I will stand with the "Girl" and Beth for ever how long it takes to get Justice for Natalee.

A wise Monkey once said.."It isn't over till Beth says it's over!"..Now..I wonder who that might be..... ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyCool::

On this forum the majority of us see it so clearly.  Why do the prodical Monkeys continue to deny the obvious rgarding the CAPS and Persistence issues when they do not have any backup to defend otherwise.  They only dispicably attack the messenger and ... avoid the message.

I do not believe it has anything with saving face.  We have all had to eat humble pie when different aspect of the Natalee Holloway.

In fact ... outside of the Persistence and CAPS topics ... Monkeys and the Producal Monkeys are one in the majority of issues encompassing the Natalee Holloway case.

It does not make sense.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Ask Kermit to give you a heads up next time that way you can pull up a chair and some popcorn! ::MonkeyHaHa::

This is not a perfect math equation, it could be worked on.. lol
But you get the point..  ::MonkeyWink::

This case was  about Requests for a girl ..drugs===control==power==cover up
and hiding the real culprits.

Joran+Luis=Jossy+Paulus=Plan to mislead through disinformation= Scuba,Refeno+ Key Forum members +Shango,Simian+Various false witness+Caps+Marcos= Success.

They have done a very professional job. Best Con Job I have ever seen.
I am sure the M people and Paulus are very proud of themselves..

The only thing I have to say is Everybody is dying and Nobody lives forever.
If I make it to Heaven first they are ALL going to visit Hell.
jmho

Mark Purcell has done his interpretation of facts.

The fact is, Natalee was walking, unassisted, in and out of the casino, before C&Cs.  She had a water bottle, in front of her, on the table.  She was dancing, on the stage and by statement, talked to friends, off the stage, in C&Cs.  She did not appear to be staggering in any photos.  She may have had a drink at 10am per statement, but for all we know, it could have been per suggestion to get rid of her hangover.

The hangover leads me to Saturday night.  You assume she was so drunk, she had to be helped to her room.  I am not so sure that someone or a bartender did not put something, into her drink, as a trial run.  You assume she was drunk.  Not me.

I agree with Granny Toad....Shame on you.  Many people with Natalee, that have known Natalee posted about her character.  We have the posts here.  You expect us to believe that you know better?  phfff

Posted today at RU:

Pronkjewail PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 1:29 pm         

I dont know if this is already mentioned, but.. there is a new piece about Jaap and Joran in one of the tabloids. I skimmed through it in the supermarket. This is the new info (atleast to me, and from what I remember...):

- Jaap paid Jorans gamblingdebt, but he paid less than PRDV had to pay Patrick (which was 25.000 euros)

- There is a big headline in the tabloid about that Natalee got shot. Couldnt find the piece in the article, so dont know more about it..

- Joran left for Thailand again and was with Jaap at the airport. They looked like buddies, so I guess the blackmailing-business that Jaap said he used, problably wasnt as bad as he wants it to look like.


Btw, Jaap is smart, but he is also someone who uses other people. Not someone you want to get used by (IMO)...

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyEek::

Well said Edward

Posted by Bastibro at BFN.   

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/2009_5_1PartyJaapJoran-1.jpg)

In a Nutshelllllllllll !! (http://www.smileyshut.com/smileys/new/positivo1.gif)

Did the scumbag make enough money off of Natalee again and then high-tailed it back to Thailand?  When will they stop making money off this child?  Makes me sick to my stomach.

I certainly could fathom that (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/frownyes.gif)

I know this is totally unfair to the fine actor, Mr. Ned Beatty, but every time I see him in any role or in any other venue, "that" scene is in my mind. I can't help it. It's like every time I see Bill Clinton, I get the whole cigar-blue dress thing going in my mind. Can't help that, either.

Just out of curiosity, I counted back the last 24 hours but stopped when I got to 27 posters.

So I guess rumors that there are only 4 or 5 of us left have been greatly exaggerated.

Oh Anna, don't be silly.  It's really only 4 or 5 of us with different nicknames.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Lifesong

I'm not sure when Rene van Nie received the letter from Theresa Croes, whatever.  He has a very difficult to read, site.  I would read little by little.  Few things/pages were dated.  I found the letter in Dec. of 2007...I think, but at the time, I didn't regularly read there.  Sorry.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

you know I am posting from 6 different locations

Let something newsy happen.  There is still a silent, but deadly dedicated group, that arrives.  There is no replacement for history.

I just looked at an email from Tom at Scared Monkeys, dated 7/11/05 approving my membership here.  I had been reading here before that date.  It's hard to believe Natalee still hasn't been brought home.

On the chance that a bunch of internet stalking psychos happen by here, do we count them just once or do ALL of their personalities count as separate visits?

(http://home.att.net/~i_write_screenplays/0-0-0-frog1.jpg)

All the banned Monkey's and CapsLock followers believe that there is one poster Kermit with 14 personalities.....

Keepthefaith, Rooscrew, Blue Moon, Magnolia, Rob, 2NJSons_Mom, Edward, Tamikosmom, oldiebutgoodie, Helen Back, MuffyBee, Lifesong, Buckeye, Anna


Ya gotta love it....... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Thank you, Buckeye!

OK..Will the REAL KERMIT stand up.....Hi i'm keepthefaith..I'm the real Kermit the frog! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyWink::

I don't think Joran/Jaap means anything...but I do want to point out that Carpe (and Mrs. Red) always thought Natalee was shot.  Wasn't there a post about her being on a boat and holding up her hands trying to block a shot??....maybe Joran has been reading old theories so he has more material...

MumInOhio did not required the exposure in Kyle Kingman's own word of the John Silvetti deception to come to the conclusion that CAPS was placed on the forum as a distaction from the truth.

At the getgo ... Mum made a sincere attempt to figure out what CAPS was all about but ... his (their) changing theories and ... his (their) lack of response to questions she presented to him on the forum ... his (their) flawed research ...  made her a doubter.

In May, 2008 ...  Mum made the decision to get off the CAPS bandwagon and ... then at some period of time throughout the summer ... hopped right back on.

Why?  I asked Mum.  I sincerely wanted to comprehend what she learned that changed her mind but ... she refused to reveal to me why she backtracked.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

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MUMINOHIO - MAY, 2008


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1412 on: May 06, 2008, 01:59:31 PM »

SS...I have read that as well...I have also read where he said it was other apartments, Dutch owned and not the Matty apartments. I am not going to go back to the first thread and find Cap's posts as I questioned him more than a couple of times as to why he changed his mind and he never answered!

He also didn't respond as to why he told me no to the Ind/Lion's Den in the first thread.

All that being said...he hasn't backed up his posts...just because Caps said it, doesn't make it so!

 I am sorry I don't mean to upset you, but you can post Caps posts forever and I will just keep telling you what he said previously.

I still want to know why he changed from the other apartments to the Matty and he will not answer!!!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379364#msg379364


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1424 on: May 06, 2008, 02:41:59 PM »

SS…let me ask you one question…

If I post the Freddy Zedan owns the Indo/Lion’s Den are you going to just take my word for it?

 Caps posts that the Kalpoes - the father or the stepfather, he never did answer which one, according to a girl there, now own it!

You can certainly take what Caps says without questions, but I will not. So please do not repost Caps post to me....Show me the proof!

 I have read everyone of Cap’s post at least three times…each day I type out an index…you would be very surprised what you see on the third read.

All I am trying to say is what you are posting from Caps is not what he said in January!

I am 99% sure as to why he switched to the Indo apartments…the answer is in one of your last few posts…and I will leave it at that!

And yes Lala’s…I am extremely frustrated…seems we have involved just about everyone on Aruba…new names are dropped every week.…I never see Joran’s name in this thread anymore!!!!!

And everytime Caps appears we have more questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COLUMBO has a word for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379383#msg379383


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1440 on: May 06, 2008, 06:42:17 PM »

Guess we will have to agree to disagree. I don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt just because he's Caps

All I see is a whole lot of new names and misinformation and very few facts...Giovanni, Deutekom, Bulo, Freddy that doesn't exist, odd-bods living at the kalpoes address, list of names that don't match the phone book...
 
Yes, something is going on at that pond, and we are still dealing with Aruba. I'm in total agreement with Lala's on this one, nothing will come of the pond.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379502#msg379502


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1450 on: May 06, 2008, 07:32:02 PM »

SS...A simple question as to if Deutekom was a Judge should have been answered 150 pages ago....so should the reason for him going back to the Indo/Lion's Den after he told me no to there. these are simple questions and both merit an answer!

I can't buy Cap's Dirty Hand Deutekom, because how he got to him was flawed. If he is not a Judge he wouldn't have been on that list. It is as simple as that!

There are more questions now than when Caps first started posting!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379518#msg379518


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1456 on: May 06, 2008, 11:11:21 PM »

Well I guess we are all frustrated today!

I attempted to explain to Caps at least 3 times the Judges list, and as one who tries to answer other poster’s questions, and acknowledge their posts I expected an answer on at least one of those occasions! If you have read my posts you would know that I have acknowledged that Deutekom may be a ‘Dirty Hand’ , just questioning the way he got there.

You can check my posts for this morning and see that I try to ‘share’ what I know! Have a look and see if my answer to another poster was even acknowledged!

I guess in your opinion it is OK for Caps to fire of all these questions at us, but he is not obligated to answer ours. Most of my questions to him have been about posts he has made and names like Bulo’s that we have never heard of. I have asked very few about things I am researching.

I have not asked any more from Caps than I would have asked from any other poster…back up your posts! BS on putting him in any sort of position! Not to the questions I have asked anyways.

Yes there are other theories on this thread, and I for one am sick and tired of having only one jammed down my throat.

I have read Caps posts many times and it is up to me if I go along with everything or anything he says.  Maybe it might help some if you let Caps know that it is creating problems by him dropping names with no other info….it would help a lot and certainly save some of us a lot of time….

JMHO

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379582#msg379582


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1459 on: May 06, 2008, 11:33:41 PM »

... as you said this is a discussion forum and I have reason to question things in Caps posts! Most times when I have done so I do not receive an answer or if I do it is the post of Caps I am referring to posted back to me. Sorry … to me that is not discussion.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379591#msg379591


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1467 on: May 07, 2008, 08:06:50 AM »

SS...Caps started posting in the NAH thread around mid-January. Klaas explained at the time that he had been posting on the front page previously. After 4 or 5 days Caps started posting in the Shango thread. This would have been way back in the first thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379694#msg379694


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1468 on: May 07, 2008, 09:28:28 AM »

SS… You are right. I think Caps has information that has nothing to do with Shango as well. Caps does know the corruption and the ‘dark’ side of Aruba. He knows some of the players, probably a lot.

When Caps first started posting in the forum he knew very little about the case, or so it appears from his early posts. He asked us about the family, the friends, the private plane and the pimps. He asked about the suspects and about the people such as Julia and others that continually misinformed us. He needed our help and knowledge with these pieces of the puzzle. There is nothing wrong with that, I personally have spent a lot of time and posts sharing any information I had or could find.

A lot of time it seems to me that Caps has a piece that he feels fits into a Shango/Simian/Merian post, and just makes it fit. He has the player, the corrupt official, so that is the answer to that part of the riddle.

An example of this would be ‘the yellowhammer’. We started with a yellow hummer way back in the first thread, and most disagreed back then. When it was revisited recently and many posted that they thought it was the bird, Caps said OK, we’ll go with the bird, we’ll refine and correct any errors in his interpretations. The next day, Caps posts that he doesn’t think it is the bird. Our interpretation of ‘the yellowhammer’ doesn’t fit into Cap’s deciphering of the riddle.

I find this very frustrating. To me it is not that difficult.

Thanks everyone for the input on Bulo yesterday. Pita sorry for the confusion I may have caused on the Benz site. Somehow I confused myself…Vms…sounds like a good idea…maybe clear up some loose ends like Giovanni and Bulo…

 I think I need to go and sit in the grandstand with Lala’s and the other grannies for a day or two and go back to my own research.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379700#msg379700


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1493 on: May 08, 2008, 09:33:46 AM »

This is a previous discussion about Ben VocKing. Below are 2 of Caps older posts regarding VocKing. So in February and March Caps knew who VocKing was, but not on April 25th.

Somewhere back around page 40 Caps posted a key in which he includes a pic of VocKing. You will notice that Caps refers to a picture of Voking in his response above.

Around pages 45 and 46 there is much discussion about the photo of VocKing and which is the correct one. The photo of VocKing that Caps included in his key and showed to the man who knew him very well is not of the person we determined to be VocKing.

This is why I ask questions…

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379920#msg379920


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1494 on: May 08, 2008, 09:41:12 AM »

These posts of Caps have been etched in mind since March. Another reason I ask questions.

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379922#msg379922


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1495 on: May 08, 2008, 10:12:11 AM »

Here is Cap's picture of Vocking.

Hotping...Thanks for the prayer. After the posts from last night, for the sake of harmony I have decided to refrain from posting in this thread any more.

Enjoy the Tango!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379926#msg379926


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1500 on: May 08, 2008, 11:55:52 AM »

Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379938#msg379938


MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #936 on: May 08, 2008, 08:30:49 PM »

SS…since you bought this over from the Shango thread….there is no group attack on Caps. I have asked him to answer questions about his posts. He has not done so, on most occasions IMO. I said this morning that I would walk away. I have.

Many of my questions regarding Caps surround Ben Vocking. I posted on that this morning. Please go back and read from page 39 to page 46 of the thread. Open the links. Read Caps response very carefully and then read what I posted this morning.

I am not going to respond any further on the subject.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg380072#msg380072


++++++++


Dialogue - MumInOhio and Tamikosmom:

MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #450 on: January 02, 2009, 10:35:03 PM »

Mum ... in May, 2008 you had come to a conclusion and ... were not going to uphold CAPS.  You backed up ;your reasoning perfectly and ... I agreed.  Your reasoning was what I had claimed from the getgo ... two months prior.  However ... you eventually  backtracked.

Mum ... it is so important to me.  I want to know why?

Sincerely, Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609481#msg609481



MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #454 on: January 02, 2009, 11:06:23 PM »

Janet...You are like a pitbull...LOL

Nobody knows my position on this at this time...I am not ready to elaborate any more...I am Sorry.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609545;topicseen#msg609545

Heyyy Rob!....Don't lump me together with HotShot..... ::MonkeyLaugh::